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Dems grapple with lessons from Clinton disaster (Freeper input needed)
The Hill ^ | December 12, 2016 | Niall Stanage

Posted on 12/13/2016 7:16:52 AM PST by Zakeet

Democrats are grappling with how to draw the right lessons - and avoid the wrong ones - after an extraordinary presidential election.

Hillary Clinton's loss to Donald Trump is an unmitigated disaster for Democrats, who want to ensure nothing like it happens again. But Clinton’s popular-vote lead over Trump is so large that it complicates the question of how to recalibrate for future elections.

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"Everybody can point to something that went wrong - and they’re right," he said. "It makes it impossible to know what the party really needs to do.

"The [Bernie] Sanders people believe, if only we had been more populist we'd have won, and they're right. The Hillary people believe, if only Bernie hadn't attacked her so hard in the primary we'd have won, and they're right. Everybody's right."

Adding another explosive ingredient to the mix, The Washington Post reported Friday that the CIA now believes Russia intervened in the election to help Trump win. The story clearly has some distance left to run.

Meanwhile, the immediate direction of the Democratic Party is further complicated because it has no obvious leader with the exception of President Obama, who will leave office in less than six weeks.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2020election; clinton; democrats
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To: Zakeet

Bernie attacked Hillary too hard in the Primaries????

Please Bernie treated her with Kid Gloves and she still couldn’t take him down...

Writing was on the wall for over a year Clinton was a train wreck, you chose to ignore it.


41 posted on 12/13/2016 7:42:31 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Zakeet
But Clinton’s popular-vote lead over Trump is so large that it complicates the question of how to recalibrate for future elections.

It's really a shame that those upper crust, well educated Dems don't understand why the Electoral College is in place.
42 posted on 12/13/2016 7:42:56 AM PST by ratzoe (damn, I miss Barbara Olson)
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To: aligncare

Me too!


43 posted on 12/13/2016 7:43:20 AM PST by Empireoftheatom48 (God help the Republic but will he?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I thought the same thing!


44 posted on 12/13/2016 7:43:42 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: All

The natural heir to the Democrats' 2016 Frivolities.

45 posted on 12/13/2016 7:43:53 AM PST by Liz
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To: All

The natural heir to the Democrats' 2016 Frivolities.

46 posted on 12/13/2016 7:43:55 AM PST by Liz
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To: Zakeet

47 posted on 12/13/2016 7:46:20 AM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Zakeet
Yes, I have some advice for them.

They need to shut up and get out of the way.

48 posted on 12/13/2016 7:49:18 AM PST by A Cyrenian (America is ashamed of the crooked clintons.)
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To: adorno
Good post, let the dems keep doing it wrong. Let them ignore the few people who came to her events and the many many more that came to Trumps. Let's let the media still be the dems cheerleaders with their made up stories. Let the conservatives continue to see the truth.
49 posted on 12/13/2016 7:50:09 AM PST by Ditter (God Bless Texas!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
They will conclude that Trump’s win was the result of a Russian hack, and will change NOTHING about how they go about their business. They’ll get their clocks cleaned in 2020.

They will attempt to do to Trump what they did to Bush. They will wait for Trump to make a mistake, or to take an action that becomes unpopular, and/or for the next recession, and they will then engage in 24/7 hate speech and libel, attempting to win the next election with a purely negative campaign.

The media loves to explore the internal strains in the Republican coalition. The Democrats' problems are at least as severe. They have a black radical group that wants a tribal party organized around a program of racial privilege. They have a radical feminist wing that hates men. They have a sexual revolutionary wing that wants the destruction of any and all limits to sexual behavior, and wants this without guilt, which brings them into conflict with anyone (including many feminists) who object to sexual anarchy and predation. They have a Stalinist wing that wants to kill the kulaks. (I exaggerate only slightly.) They have an anti-religious wing that works actively towards the suppression of orthodox Christianity and Judaism. They have an anti-democratic faction that does not accept the legitimacy of political opposition and seeks to limit political speech. They have an internationalist and open borders faction that desires the eradication of the American national identity. And that list is surely not exhaustive.

The ONLY thing binding this coalition together is hatred. It is a functional necessity for the left to find an Emmanual Goldstein; almost anyone will do, and the target will shift as soon as the first target has been destroyed. Leftist campaigns are the functional equivalents of two minute hates.

The question is, are there enough Democrats who don't want to go down this road to pull the party back from the abyss. They're pretty far gone as it is.

50 posted on 12/13/2016 7:50:51 AM PST by sphinx
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To: Zakeet

Quit calling Americans “Racists, sexists, Homophobes, Islamophoes” etc .Nobody like namecalling and it makes those who are for you nervous because they think you will come for them next.


51 posted on 12/13/2016 8:03:42 AM PST by CptnObvious
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To: Zakeet

It’s rather obvious that what the DNC needs to do is go even more hard corps radical leftist. Their biggest mistake in this election cycle was in abandoning their base.

The DNC needs to push hard on:
sexualizing young children.
removing US of A’s sovereignty.
eliminate US of A’s control of its own borders.
create laws that force American citizens to subsidize the rest of the world’s living standard via federal taxes.
transform the US of A’s military into a social justice support organization.
make it a felony to speak out against any DNC sponsored law or person.


52 posted on 12/13/2016 8:10:28 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Zakeet

I say keep doing what you’re doing, dems! It wasn’t the message, it was that it wasn’t communicated well enough. Keep at it with identity politics, climate change, and gender issues! Middle America really cares about that, it’s just that the $1.2 billion that Hillary spent wasn’t enough. Keep on trying!

:-P


53 posted on 12/13/2016 8:11:24 AM PST by Mudflaps
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To: Zakeet

Honestly, which of them is struggling with trying to understand how they lost?

They just go on smearing, lying, faking, crying -! It’s as if nothing changed for them.


54 posted on 12/13/2016 8:13:20 AM PST by unsycophant
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To: Zakeet

The Dems will try hard to export Dem voters from secure Dem states like California, to the states which Trump won narrowly


55 posted on 12/13/2016 8:14:54 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: mmichaels1970

Lessson 2: The hildabeast was more unlikeable than Trump.


56 posted on 12/13/2016 8:15:04 AM PST by pfflier
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To: Zakeet

The first thing is for REPUBLICANS to realize that they didn’t win by that much. Yeah, I know “Electoral College landslide” blah, blah, blah. Hiliary DID out poll DJT in total popular votes. She just got too many votes in places she was already going to win and not enough votes in states she needed to win (”the Blue Wall” states).

That could all change in 2020 if GOPe continues to backbite and pursue policies that do not support President Trump once he takes office. The way Republicans cement their win going forward is to DELIVER on the promises that were made for change that benefits the United States and the American worker. Nothing succeeds like success.

Unfortunately, turning away from politics as usual will be as traumatic for the GOPe as it will be for Democrats. This is going to be unpleasant for awhile.


57 posted on 12/13/2016 8:18:54 AM PST by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow.)
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To: Zakeet

1. They need to nominate more people who could be confused with mannequins. Think Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry, Gore, Hillary, etc.

2. They need to demonize everyone who disagrees with them by calling them stupid, racist, misogynist, bigoted, etc.

3. They need hold riots every time they don’t get their way.

4. They need to push perversity into the schools and every entertainment format.

5. They need to eliminate free speech on the internet and college campuses.

6. They need to take control of the health care system, so that health care goes to the right people.

7. They need to make sure as many able bodied people are out of the workforce as possible with onerous regulations, importing illegals and with generous welfare benefits.

8. They should dance with the ones who brought them. Nancy, Harry, Barry, Bill, Hillary, Chuck, etc.


58 posted on 12/13/2016 8:26:01 AM PST by yuleeyahoo (Those are my principles, and if you do not like them...well I have others. - Groucho Marx)
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To: knarf

Fundamentally the democRATS are incapable of what you suggest.

For them to even get a grip on reality, they need to stop stuffing ballot boxes to win.

A fair measure of success is how well you are actually doing, instead of cheated scores. If they are unwilling to stop lying to themselves, then they have no future.


59 posted on 12/13/2016 8:30:16 AM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Zakeet

1. Make diversity your #1 issue
2. Rub Clinton again
3. Save the planet from greenhouse gasses
4. Save the environment and demand all of the US be put to its natural condition
5. Return all nationally owned property to the Indians
6. Tax the rich and the middle class
7. Increase taxes on evil coprorations

Then they will be big winners!


60 posted on 12/13/2016 8:39:38 AM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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