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To: OldSmaj; CodeToad
Thanks for taking time to write such an informative and helpful reply. It has always been one of the strengths of Free Republic that Freepers are some of the most knowledgeable and experienced folks around, and you can always count on them for help solving your problems on almost any topic. I agree with almost every point you made; it's obvious that you're speaking from experience. For example:

However, I'm of the strong opinion that if this device is a necessity for a self-defense situation, then one would be best served by leaving it and the weapon at home and switching to a wheel gun.

That's why my primary carry gun is a Smith & Wesson Model 60 stainless .357 Magnum! However, regarding:

I see the effectiveness of the device only if the gun you need it for will never stovepipe, misfeed, jam or otherwise malfunction to the point of needing to be racked. That gun does not exist, therefor the device is of little use for a defensive need. So, I strongly, strongly recommend a revolver for anyone that lacks the hand strength to manually rack a slide, unassisted.

Of course there isn't a pistol that can't ever misfeed, jam, etc. at some point, and I agree a revolver is a better choice. However, some people can't seem to deal with revolvers, either, whether it's a stiff double-action trigger pull, opening and closing the cylinder, etc.. In those cases what do you do, let the perfect be the enemy of the good?

In situations where I've had to advise someone with a hand strength problem, I always try to steer them to a revolver first. If they insist on a semi-auto, though, my reasoning is that it's better to have something than nothing, and to steer them towards a brand that has a reputation for reliability, e.g. the Sigs, the Glocks, et al.. Hopefully they'll be able to deal with their attacker before the gun jams.

I also try to drive home to them the necessity to practice, practice, practice (as you noted), but unfortunately, human nature being what it is, we both know that far too many will not. You just do the best you can for them.

Take it to the range, go varmint-potting with it, teach your grand-children and children, as the case may be, to use the weapon with and without it...but please, do not rely upon it as a concealed carry defense.

That's exactly why I got the Handi-Racker - to give myself a few more years of enjoyment of my legacy treasures, e.g. the Browning, or my Colt 1911, that deserved a better fate than being only safe queens! I have started looking at some of the pocket pistols such as the ones in this thread as a backup carry. If I need the tool to do the initial loading, I'll have to take my chances! The good news is I can still rack the Sigs, and will probably go with the P938.

for CodeToad, re: Nice tool, but if I was unable to rack an auto, I’d just go with a wheel gun. The tools would be good for general use otherwise.

Agreed, with the caveat that some folks just can't run a revolver. See my comments to OldSmaj above. One other really handy use of the tool, even for ordinary shooters who don't have a handicap, is for freeing a jammed slide/round in the chamber. It's easier and safer to force the slide against a post or table than tearing your hands up.

Good luck.

The sentiment is much appreciated! Even with the bullet we dodged in the election (actually like a 16" round from the USS Missouri!), the "collective crazy" is still in the ascendant and we're all going to need good luck in the year to come.

104 posted on 12/11/2016 7:56:49 PM PST by tarheelswamprat (gh)
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To: tarheelswamprat

” It has always been one of the strengths of Free Republic that Freepers are some of the most knowledgeable and experienced folks around, and you can always count on them for help solving your problems on almost any topic.”

Well then how come nobody (at least that we are aware of) that posts here on FR hasn’t made a trip to Trump Towers for an appointment to Trump’s cabinet? LOL! Actually, I’m sure there are quite a few who could do an outstanding job but who also have NO desire to get caught up in the d.c. morass. ;-)


107 posted on 12/12/2016 6:19:09 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: tarheelswamprat
It is apparent, my FRiend, that you are a scholar and a gentleman.

We need more of you.

Thank you for a reasoned and intelligent reply.

So often, we have those in the gun culture/brotherhood that insist on rabidly defending whatever it is that they have found for themselves, often wholly and unreasonably dismissing any other viewpoint.

I think, like me, that you have lived long enough and survived long enough, that you speak from a position of strong experience...wisdom that is too often ignored and dismissed by youth.

As someone once said, "youth is wasted on the young".

I have tried over the years to pass some of my training, experience and yes, wisdom, to those younger than I...not always successfully, but I think I may have made some differences with the little mush heads.

We can only try.

May you have a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year.

108 posted on 12/12/2016 7:03:30 AM PST by OldSmaj (The only thing washed on a filthy liberal is their damned brains.)
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To: tarheelswamprat

If you can handle the 9mm recoil in a small gun, the Bersa Thunder 9 Ultra Compact (9 UC Pro)is an excellent tool. I stopped carrying it when the 9mm recoil became too much for my old hands (always shoot practice with strong then weak hand).


110 posted on 12/12/2016 9:39:18 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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