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To: SteveH

There actually “isn’t” one IMO. This is Obama and the head of the CIA concocting some disinformation campaign.

Trump’s first move on January 20 should be to have Brennan and ALL of his lieutenants forcibly escorted from the CIA premises. Then begin a comprehensive purge to remove the Democrat sleepers in that organization.


22 posted on 12/10/2016 7:33:59 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

And the CIA is investigating if another country hacked and influenced the Ukraine elections, Israeli elections, Egyptian elections........sarc/


30 posted on 12/10/2016 7:40:50 AM PST by davidb56
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To: Gaffer

exactly imho


40 posted on 12/10/2016 7:44:29 AM PST by SteveH
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To: Gaffer

Exactly! Do an intensive read on the CIA and one discovers it has been corrupt since its inception with massive drug smuggling at Mena, Afghanistan, you name it almost world wide.Anyone who thinks the drug smuggling from Colombia could go on without cia help is naive. CIA corruption has been basically run by the same people who are a huge crime family.


119 posted on 12/11/2016 3:48:42 AM PST by rodguy911 (Go Sarah go! America home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: Gaffer

This one has always been a huge question mark for me.How does one building stand after a fire and another implode immediately?

https://more911.wordpress.com/wtc7-building7/

Building 7
World Trade Centre Build 7 (WTC 7) also known as “The Solomon’s Building” aka Building 7 was the third building to be destroyed on September 11th, 2001. It was a 47 story high steel frame building. The most salient question is; what caused Building 7 to fall at [1] freefall speeds for 8 stores? The building was not hit by any aeroplanes and there were no large raging fires. But yet it fell, fast and symmetrically into its own footprint. a few but limited fires.

Watch the 8 floors of free fall that starts off Building 7’s destruction:

Do the fires in the clip below look like they are endangering Building 7?

Did the fires you have just seen, cause 8 floors of free fall and the total destruction of Building 7, or not? That is the question, how can you find the answer?

First, what is freefall?

It’s not a speed, it’s an acceleration, an object getting fast and faster.
Free fall can only be obtained if there is nothing below a dropped object to slow it down.
More technically, it’s gravitational acceleration at 9.81 meters squared.
What then was holding Building 7 up?

Building 7 Typical floor plan

An exoskeleton of 57 steel columns.
Plus 22 steel columns for internal concrete clad lift shaft and fire escape stairwells.
In all a total of 79 steel columns plus concrete.

With reference to the above, the refined question being asked is?

What could simultaneous and symmetrical cause the removal of 57 external steel columns and 22 internal columns for lift shafts and fireproof stairwells?

There are two competing theories:

Fire causing collapse.
Demolition explosives causing collapse.
Q.
How can you evaluate these theories?

A.
By looking at the extent of damage to steel framed buildings after known fires.
By looking at examples of successful and failed demolitions using explosives

A Look at building fires:

al-tayer-tower-2012

Al Tayer Tower 2012. I count 39 visible stores standing after the blaze. Click for Video

24 hours of fire madrid-windsor-tower-after
Windsor Building, 2005 Madrid. Burns for 24 hours. Click for Video

jianye-building-in-yuexiu-distric-15th-dec-2013-on-fire jianye-building-in-yuexiu-distric-15th-dec-2013-after
Jianye Building, 2013 in Yuexiu district China. Burns for 12 hours. Click for cell phone Video

mandarin-oriental-2009-40-stories

Hotel Mandarin Oriental, 2009 Beijing. 40 stories burn overnight. Click for video

wtc7-what-next

Building 7, 2001 New York. 8 scattered floors burn for 4 hours. Click for video

wtc7-what-you-would-expect

Building 7, 2001 New York. To the right shows what engineers would expect to be left afterwards, but bellow shows what was actually found aftwards. See WTC7 free fall video.

building-7-rubble-pile

A Look at demolitions:

wtc-no-8-floor-gapwtc-8-floor-gap

Some common demolition traits are:

Sudden onset
Symmetrical fall for a number of floors
Freefall speeds for a number of floors
Pulverisation of concrete and other materials
Thick dust clouds
Horizontal ejections

Remember the Build 7 destruction shows 8 floors of freefall (i.e. the gap on the left).

Red Road Flats, 2015 Glasgow. Look for the aprox 5 floors exploded on each tower block.

Building 7, 2001 New York. Side by side to known controlled demolitions.

Conclusion:

Where is the integrity of the news reporters, engineers, architects… who know that there are glaring flaws in the NIST report into the collapse of Building 7, but fail to point them out?

Are those that promote the “conspiracy theory” meme i.e. conflating unrelated events together themselves guilty of perverting the course of justice by preventing open debate and analysis? Do you know someone who does this? If so, challenge them. Show them the evidence and given them a chance to stop protecting murderers.

[1] page 45, NIST NCSTAR 1A Final Report on the Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7


121 posted on 12/11/2016 4:04:18 AM PST by rodguy911 (Go Sarah go! America home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: Gaffer

This one has always been a huge question mark for me.How does one building stand after a fire and another implode immediately?

https://more911.wordpress.com/wtc7-building7/

Building 7
World Trade Centre Build 7 (WTC 7) also known as “The Solomon’s Building” aka Building 7 was the third building to be destroyed on September 11th, 2001. It was a 47 story high steel frame building. The most salient question is; what caused Building 7 to fall at [1] freefall speeds for 8 stores? The building was not hit by any aeroplanes and there were no large raging fires. But yet it fell, fast and symmetrically into its own footprint. a few but limited fires.

Watch the 8 floors of free fall that starts off Building 7’s destruction:

Do the fires in the clip below look like they are endangering Building 7?

Did the fires you have just seen, cause 8 floors of free fall and the total destruction of Building 7, or not? That is the question, how can you find the answer?

First, what is freefall?

It’s not a speed, it’s an acceleration, an object getting fast and faster.
Free fall can only be obtained if there is nothing below a dropped object to slow it down.
More technically, it’s gravitational acceleration at 9.81 meters squared.
What then was holding Building 7 up?

Building 7 Typical floor plan

An exoskeleton of 57 steel columns.
Plus 22 steel columns for internal concrete clad lift shaft and fire escape stairwells.
In all a total of 79 steel columns plus concrete.

With reference to the above, the refined question being asked is?

What could simultaneous and symmetrical cause the removal of 57 external steel columns and 22 internal columns for lift shafts and fireproof stairwells?

There are two competing theories:

Fire causing collapse.
Demolition explosives causing collapse.
Q.
How can you evaluate these theories?

A.
By looking at the extent of damage to steel framed buildings after known fires.
By looking at examples of successful and failed demolitions using explosives

A Look at building fires:

al-tayer-tower-2012

Al Tayer Tower 2012. I count 39 visible stores standing after the blaze. Click for Video

24 hours of fire madrid-windsor-tower-after
Windsor Building, 2005 Madrid. Burns for 24 hours. Click for Video

jianye-building-in-yuexiu-distric-15th-dec-2013-on-fire jianye-building-in-yuexiu-distric-15th-dec-2013-after
Jianye Building, 2013 in Yuexiu district China. Burns for 12 hours. Click for cell phone Video

mandarin-oriental-2009-40-stories

Hotel Mandarin Oriental, 2009 Beijing. 40 stories burn overnight. Click for video

wtc7-what-next

Building 7, 2001 New York. 8 scattered floors burn for 4 hours. Click for video

wtc7-what-you-would-expect

Building 7, 2001 New York. To the right shows what engineers would expect to be left afterwards, but bellow shows what was actually found aftwards. See WTC7 free fall video.

building-7-rubble-pile

A Look at demolitions:

wtc-no-8-floor-gapwtc-8-floor-gap

Some common demolition traits are:

Sudden onset
Symmetrical fall for a number of floors
Freefall speeds for a number of floors
Pulverisation of concrete and other materials
Thick dust clouds
Horizontal ejections

Remember the Build 7 destruction shows 8 floors of freefall (i.e. the gap on the left).

Red Road Flats, 2015 Glasgow. Look for the aprox 5 floors exploded on each tower block.

Building 7, 2001 New York. Side by side to known controlled demolitions.

Conclusion:

Where is the integrity of the news reporters, engineers, architects… who know that there are glaring flaws in the NIST report into the collapse of Building 7, but fail to point them out?

Are those that promote the “conspiracy theory” meme i.e. conflating unrelated events together themselves guilty of perverting the course of justice by preventing open debate and analysis? Do you know someone who does this? If so, challenge them. Show them the evidence and given them a chance to stop protecting murderers.

[1] page 45, NIST NCSTAR 1A Final Report on the Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7


122 posted on 12/11/2016 4:04:26 AM PST by rodguy911 (Go Sarah go! America home of the free because of the brave.)
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