Posted on 12/05/2016 9:16:09 AM PST by upchuck
...This election day, California voters tightened gun control, extended taxes on the rich, hiked cigarette taxes, legalized marijuana, boosted multilingual education — and of course provided Hillary Clinton with all of her winning margin of 2 million popular votes, and then some, in her losing campaign for president...
Secession talk is more valuable as a pointer to all the ways that California and federal policies are likely to come into conflict during the next few years than as a formula for practical politics.
California has been among the national leaders in reducing greenhouse gas emissions, and as recently as September strengthened its policies with a law mandating the reduction of climatologically harmful emissions to 40% below 1990 levels by 2030. Its auto emission rules traditionally have set a benchmark for the auto industry and federal regulators.
During his campaign, Trump dismissed climate change as a Chinese hoax and pledged to withdraw the U.S. from the Paris agreement to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, which already has been ratified by 113 of the 197 signatory countries. The U.S. ratified the agreement by presidential order on Sept. 3.
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” Complicity with immigration agents shatters trust in police in immigrant-rich communities, complicating street-level patrolling.”
WOW!! I’m at a loss for words. Orwell is envious.
California should not secede. But in its current Mexifornian iteration, it actually might try to do so in the next few decades if things don’t change.
Trump needs that wall quickly, e-verify quickly, elimination of criminal illegals quickly, and a beefed up Coast Guard and Airport Security.
Do you Californians have an estimate of how many illegals voted in California this past election?
“Is there some way we can kick them out?”
Indeed. I’m all for kicking the commies out of California, and every other U.S. state.
Let them build their own country somewhere else.
“Nope— Our land.”
Amen.
It’s our land. Kick the frikken commies out.
Cali claims status as the 6th largest economy in the world. Watch that drop like a rock once it decouples from the US. The tight interlink with the American 49 states will be largely severed, not to mention the millions of people and many billion$ that will depart for the U.S.
And really now... Mexico has first dibs on any post USA future of California. No one really thought the Mexicans populates that state with its own kind for a “better life,” did they? This was strategic.
Can they own their 99K per household debt to their public pension crisis! Imagine an LA without Federal funding.... Tijuana Norte!
The USA should keep the Cali landmass north of Sacramento (with a dip into the San Joaquin Valley) and cut the rest of the state loose. It will be swallowed up by Mexico, but the new border wall won’t need to be as long.
On California seceding, and Oregon and Washington should they follow suit, I posted this on a similar thread:
Have we forgot the Navy bases on the west coast, that we will lose? San Diego, Long Beach, Bremerton, NAS Whitbey Island. The Pacific is a big ocean. The Pacific and Atlantic have always been our first line of defense.
We would also lose our Marine Corp bases in Calif., San Diego, Miramar, Camp Pendelton, Twenty Nine Palms.
Not a wise thing at all to lose our Pacific fleet.
lol. uh, i don’t think the smarter lefties will seriously entertain that option. they need their fed protectors and massive subsidies after all to fend off us surrounding hobbits and knuckle-draggers and to keep them living in the style to which they’ve all become accustomed.
Could this take place without allowing Texas to secede also?
Would not the also Washington and Oregon in some ways more left than California want to join in. Then there is that area of northern California and southern Oregon that wants to form the state of Jefferson. The South will raise again still is in the hearth of many there. Also last time I checked California was still a donor state and paid more federal taxes than it received from Washington. But final didn’t the Blue gnomes and the red gnomes final learn to live together?
P.S. Hawaii and Puerto Rico
You assume that travel visas would be created?
It’d be just like Mexico....you just walk across....do your thing....and walk back.
I would guarantee you...that once it splits off...the state of Jefferson will apply for admission into the US. Then at least five different sections would want to break off into their own countries within three years. Palm Springs would probably apply back into the US as a state.
Some sort of secession is inevitable in this country. The divide between the red and blue voters is deep and wide, and irreconcilable. The differences philosophical, religious and cultural are enormous and fundamental. Something has to give, and a peaceful solution is preferable. The country needs to “sit down” and have a discussion along these lines and lay out a long term (say, 10 year) plan to divide up the Union.
California should be expelled.
Losing 17A will be a major step, imo, in putting a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes, taxes which Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers.
In fact, the amendment to repeal 17A should include the following excerpt as a provision.
“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
Once unconstitutional federal taxes are stopped then the states will probably find a tsunami of new revenues that they won’t know what to do with.
While it’s true that Trump received about half of what Hillary did, he still got 4,452,094 votes in California. That was the third highest tally behind Florida and Texas. The Times needs to buy a clue.
California is a garbage dump of communists liberals that could never survive as what? The new little Mexico. How about an independent country like Cuba? Empty brains can never think how stupid they are.
Build a Wall ! Or clear free fire zones around the border and use a lot of armed drones.
Like living in the early days of Cuba post revolution
What a waste of ink and time. A State cannot secede and this issue was resolved as a result of Appomattox Courthouse.
Nope. Lose California and the political clout to hold the border open evaporates.
I do agree that just making the big California cities separate countries makes the most sense. Smaller borders.
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