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Should California secede? How the state is politically out of step with the rest of the country
LAT ^ | Nov 29, 2016 | Michael Hiltzik

Posted on 12/05/2016 9:16:09 AM PST by upchuck

...This election day, California voters tightened gun control, extended taxes on the rich, hiked cigarette taxes, legalized marijuana, boosted multilingual education — and of course provided Hillary Clinton with all of her winning margin of 2 million popular votes, and then some, in her losing campaign for president...

Secession talk is more valuable as a pointer to all the ways that California and federal policies are likely to come into conflict during the next few years than as a formula for practical politics.

California has been among the national leaders in reducing greenhouse gas emissions, and as recently as September strengthened its policies with a law mandating the reduction of climatologically harmful emissions to 40% below 1990 levels by 2030. Its auto emission rules traditionally have set a benchmark for the auto industry and federal regulators.

During his campaign, Trump dismissed climate change as a Chinese hoax and pledged to withdraw the U.S. from the Paris agreement to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, which already has been ratified by 113 of the 197 signatory countries. The U.S. ratified the agreement by presidential order on Sept. 3.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: calexit
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Regarding that last sentence: it is my understanding that treaties must be ratified by the Senate. nobama CANNOT ratify a treaty, even by presidential order.

Jan 20, 2016 draws neigh, thank the Lord.

1 posted on 12/05/2016 9:16:09 AM PST by upchuck
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To: upchuck

Secede — or repent.


2 posted on 12/05/2016 9:17:36 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: upchuck
They'd turn into Venezuela within days/weeks if this actually happened 😂
3 posted on 12/05/2016 9:17:43 AM PST by Voluntaryist
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To: upchuck; Jim Robinson

Only if JimRob is made dictator of Cardboard California:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG-9Z58a1tI


4 posted on 12/05/2016 9:18:37 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: Voluntaryist

Yeah that’s the sort of brave talk the Quebec Separatists were putting out there in 1976. Did not last long after they crunched the numbers.


5 posted on 12/05/2016 9:20:03 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: upchuck

The UNITED STATES needs its western border. Get real.


6 posted on 12/05/2016 9:20:19 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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To: BenLurkin

Is there some way we can kick them out?


7 posted on 12/05/2016 9:20:42 AM PST by thorvaldr
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To: upchuck

Amazing stupidity even by LA Times standards.


8 posted on 12/05/2016 9:20:46 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: upchuck
The U.S. ratified the agreement by presidential order on Sept. 3.

Somebody didn't read the Constitution.
9 posted on 12/05/2016 9:21:07 AM PST by JamesP81 (The DNC poses a greater threat to my liberty than terrorists, China, and Russia. Combined.)
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To: upchuck
Yo, Michael, you forgot the most important part. We elected DemocRAT super-majorities to our Assembly and Senate.

Man, we didn't just stick a butter knife into the electrical outlet, we stuck the whole damn utensil drawer into it.

10 posted on 12/05/2016 9:21:22 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: upchuck

How many zeros will be on the smallest California peso?


11 posted on 12/05/2016 9:26:42 AM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: upchuck

Nope— Our land. Illegal Aliens should be deported forthwith. Liberals should be reeducated at reeducation centers until they repent or property rights should terminated.


12 posted on 12/05/2016 9:27:51 AM PST by WENDLE (Cruz for the " Scalia seat" !!!!!)
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To: upchuck

Actually it would be better if once cities got large enough they would just become their own countries like monaco or leitchenstein or whatever.

It would clear the progressive dead wood from our country if New York, and LA become their own countries and had to negotiate a trade deal with the heart land to keep their citizens fed, hehe heh


13 posted on 12/05/2016 9:27:57 AM PST by GraceG (Only a fool works hard in an environment where hard work is not appreciated...)
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To: upchuck

THey should secede and show the rest of us how it’s done.


14 posted on 12/05/2016 9:28:53 AM PST by fwdude (Stronger, To Get Her)
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To: upchuck

The U.S. ratified the agreement by presidential order on Sept. 3.

NO SUCH THING HAPPENED AS THEY SAY
The LA Times really is stuck on Stupid and they assume everyone is an idiot like them. The President CAN NOT RATIFY A TREATY, It Requires a vote of at least 60 in the SENATE. They Know this, WHY ARE THEY LYING??

More FAKE NEWS!


15 posted on 12/05/2016 9:28:53 AM PST by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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To: upchuck

Nope because then they’ll declare themselves a Third World country and demand aid and military protection from US taxpayers.


16 posted on 12/05/2016 9:30:19 AM PST by SkyDancer (Ambtion Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse)
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To: BenLurkin

They could also relocate to a nation that has already implemented the form of government they prefer, like Cuba, for example.


17 posted on 12/05/2016 9:33:55 AM PST by GingisK
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>>The U.S. ratified the agreement by presidential order on Sept. 3.

Then I can't wait for Trump to "ratify" mandatory reciprocity of LTC licenses across the country.

18 posted on 12/05/2016 9:36:32 AM PST by pabianice (LINE)
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To: BenLurkin

Get out!! Pull the Plug! Let them dry up and die on their own stupidity!!!!


19 posted on 12/05/2016 9:37:13 AM PST by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: BenLurkin

Get out!! Pull the Plug! Let them dry up and die on their own stupidity!!!!


20 posted on 12/05/2016 9:37:19 AM PST by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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