Posted on 11/27/2016 4:19:20 AM PST by NYer
The recount in Wisconsin, and coming ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania will not change the outcomes in any of the states. No recount ever changes thousands of votes. I do not think that is the purpose.
The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters. If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232. No one hits 270.
Then this goes to Congress, where the House voting 1 vote per state elects Trump, and Senate selects Pence. This would be first time this happened since 1824; in that case, John Quincy Adams won in the House, though he had fewer electoral college votes than Andrew Jackson.
If this goes to the US House and Senate, and the result is the same as from the Electoral College without the recounts, why do it? The answer is to make Trump seem even more illegitimate, that he did not win the popular vote (he lost by over 2.1 million), he did not win the Electoral College (did not reach 270), and was elected by being inserted into the presidency by members of his own party in Congress.
The recount in Wisconsin, and the coming ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania will not change outcomes in any of the states. No recount ever changes thousands of votes. I do not think that's the purpose.
The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing the official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters. If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232. No one hits 270.
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I remain highly skeptical of ANY recount requested by a democrat since they ALWAYS end up winning them, usually by the incremental "count until we win" process. They are either the luckiest people on Earth, or conniving cheats.
Depression: #January21,2017
Acceptance: #ImWithHer2020!
Trump has already gone on record as saying the election process is rigged. If this happens this will just confirm all that he’s saying.
“Acceptance: #ImWithHer2020”
With her medical problems, Hillary won’t last that long.
But hey...if dead Democrats can vote...why can’t dead Democrat candidates run for office?
I just did some further reading on the subject. It does not suggest “a ballot box found in the trunk” theory, but interestingly enough, it does mention among other things that the number of felons who were permitted to vote (but certainly should not have been) may have very well given Franken his margin of victory alone.
My original point was that the Franken/Coleman race was an extremely close one (as opposed to 20,000 to 27,000 vote margin for Trump in WI, 10000 in MI, and nearly 70000 in PA) and that people have to be careful when making comparisons, even though of course, we all should be vigilant of potential nonsense going on with this latest charade from Stein (and possibly from Clinton/Soros as well).
I was just thinking about that Nov 14 meeting, earlier this morning.
Trump knows far more than you are implying he does. He just gave her a mile of rope to hang herself with with the “good people” comment in that CBS interview. Now that her campaign is actively tied to Stein’s efforts, he has every right and duty to let the letter of the law do its own work for We the People.
He will be in command and the appropriate agencies will be directed to finally do their job and indict her on the thousands of e-mails that each carries a separate indictable count. By the way, she has already admitted doing it and intent carries no weight whatsoever.
So if the recounts are not finished by the deadline - do they quit the counting?
I think not.
And eventually the recounts will establish and confirm that Trump did indeed win over the 270 electoral votes needed.
And the whole thing will be a vanity of vanities - as Solomon would say..........
PA can’t be done without a court fight. This article is null and void.
Congress has already decided that a dual citizen at birth can also be a natural born citizen. It also declared in S.Res 511 for McCain, that the words "shall be considered as" are words of definition rather than words of pretend (legal fiction).
I doubt that the recounts will get to the point of states failing to send electoral ballots to Congress, but if that does become the case, the only thing controlling is the whim of Congress. The US is still a banana republic.
I have the feeling that in the next four years, a good number of the marxist, 'RAT, America-haters will join the ranks of the desaparecidos.
The petitioner pays the cost of the recount. In Wisconsin this was estimated at $1.1M initially. I have not seen the estimates for OH or MI, but should be higher. The last I saw, Stein had raised $5.5M and counting, for this effort, via online appeals that contain fine print indicating that any funds beyond that actually used in the recount(s) would be used for election accuracy/transparency advocacy in general. In other words a slush fund to give Jill Stein a platform into the future.
So, my suggestion for Wisconsin AG Brad Schimel is - stick a few crowbars in the procedural gearbox (the left does this all the time and are experts at it - take a few pages from their play book) and make the costs of the mechanics of the recount astronomically high (hire the most expensive accounting and legal consultants, etc.) to burn as much of Jill Stein’s slush fund as possible. Just means less of her noise to put up with next year, and the year after.
There is something wrong with Baehr’s theory that the Dems want only to delegitimize the election by having Trump “selected”. Even if the recounts are too late, they would still, if Baerh is right in saying that the recounts won’t swing to the states to Clinton, eventually show that Trump was the winner, anyway. I don’t see how that would delegitimize anything.
They would not be pouring all of this money in for merely a moral victory. They claimed that G. W. Bush was “selected” but he still won reelection four years later.
Personally I feel that all this fundraising will help fill the coffers for Chelsea’s imminent run since they can no longer go to the Clinton foundation and certainly not to the Middle East leaders. Just a theory...
Am I wrong to say that the Republican party has been essentially silent about the recount demands? Many who write on FR have articulated a number of motives for the recount but I don't hear any similar criticisms coming from the RNC.
What's the right strategy for the Republican party in dealing with these recount demands? Silence? Token and passive criticism? A serious and sustained attach on the motives of Clinton, Stein and Demoncrats.
Do you mean EVERY state legislature, or just some based on state law? (of course we only, possibly, need the three). Where is this codified? Federal law, state law?
“The President is elected by a majority, not of possible electors (270), but by a majority of electors ACTUALLY APPOINTED (it says that, right in Article II and again in Amendment XII).”
Clinton will want the court to decide that argument. Perhaps another reason why they didn’t want Scalia around.
These recounts are reminding me of stories told by relatives of mine, long dead now, about election politics in the Democratic precincts of Pittsburgh in the 1930’s. Those pols knew how to steal an election.
In WI, $1.1 million is the filing fee. Counties are in the process of estimating how much it will cost to do the recount-it will easily surpass $1 million. That additional cost is borne by the petitioner, AKA Stein. On top of that are the lawyer’s fees, also borne by the petitioner (unless they are Democrat hacks doing pro bono work).
She probably has enough money for a WI recount, but not enough to do MI and PA, as well. The fund raising will continue.
I am in PA. If our votes, the ones from PA are defranchised, I will march on WAsh. DC. The left cannot overturn 60+000 votes by causing the count to be late.
I hope they have lots of porta[potties in DC because I am old, almost 80,and being pissed off will not help my already physical difficulties with same.
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