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DoD Releases Plan to Allow Personnel to Carry Firearms on Base
Military.com ^ | Nov 21, 2016 | Matthew Cox

Posted on 11/26/2016 8:57:49 AM PST by uncommonsense

The Pentagon recently released detailed guidance that allows U.S. military personnel to carry privately owned, concealed firearms on base, a move that the Army's service chief argued against publicly.

"Arming and the Use of Force," a Nov. 18 Defense Department directive approved by Deputy Secretary of Defense Robert Work, lays out the policy and standards that allow DoD personnel to carry firearms and employ deadly force while performing official duties.

But the lengthy document also provides detailed guidance to the services for permitting soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines and Coast Guard personnel to carry privately owned firearms on DoD property, according to the document.

Commanders, O-5 and above, "may grant permission to DoD personnel requesting to carry a privately owned firearm (concealed or open carry) on DoD property for a personal protection purpose not related to performance of an official duty or status," the document states.

Applicants must be 21 years of age or older, the age many states require an individual to be to own a firearm, according to the document. Proof of compliance may include a concealed handgun license that is valid under federal, state, local or host-nation law where the DoD property is located.

"Written permission will be valid for 90 days or as long as the DoD Component deems appropriate and will include information necessary to facilitate the carrying of the firearm on DoD property consistent with safety and security, such as the individual's name, duration of the permission to carry, type of firearm, etc.," according to the document.

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This is good news, until I read this bureaucratic nonsense:

"Written permission will be valid for 90 days or as long as the DoD Component deems appropriate and will include information necessary to facilitate the carrying of the firearm on DoD property consistent with safety and security, such as the individual's name, duration of the permission to carry, type of firearm, etc.," according to the document.

I wonder what "or as long as the DoD Component deems appropriate" means...

1 posted on 11/26/2016 8:57:49 AM PST by uncommonsense
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To: uncommonsense

How it SHOULD be:

All of the above PLUS if you are wearing your uniform, I don’t care if it’s Calif, NY, or Hawaii, then you can carry.

If they can be identified, then they’re a target.

I think if Calif doesn’t go along with it they should lose all their highway funding.

And I am IN California.


2 posted on 11/26/2016 9:00:00 AM PST by gaijin
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To: uncommonsense

“or as long as the DoD Component deems appropriate”

It means until another Democrat gets elected President!


3 posted on 11/26/2016 9:01:08 AM PST by G-Bear ("Wish I could find a good book.....to live in...." Melanie Safka)
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To: uncommonsense
I went to see an airshow at few years ago, and as we went through the security gate, the MP asked me if I had and firearms, explosives, etc.

"Uh... I have to be honest with you, I have a rifle in the trunk."

"This is a MILITARY BASE! There are NO GUNS allowed here!"

4 posted on 11/26/2016 9:06:47 AM PST by Fido969
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To: uncommonsense

Only partially good news, I’d like to carry my gun when I go into Memphis, but if I go to the Base I can’t carry.

Memphis is the crime Capitol of TN. 200+ murders so far this year up more than 17% over last year. 2 weak Police PC Chiefs. Not enough jail space. Juvy has even less. We have 2 juvy prisons, 2 women’s rest males. 30% serve rate, blacks serve 6 months less.

Your only recourse is to fight parole hearings if you live.


5 posted on 11/26/2016 9:08:21 AM PST by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: Merry CHRISTmas, Happy Birthday JESUS CHRIST, suck it up buttercup you lost)
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To: uncommonsense

Why is this actually happening under a Democrat POTUS?


6 posted on 11/26/2016 9:08:26 AM PST by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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To: uncommonsense

Folks with Military ID’s active, retired or 100% disabled Vets can bring a firearm or firearms on Post to go shoot on a range. The weapons have to be registered on Post.


7 posted on 11/26/2016 9:12:32 AM PST by Lumper20 (Muslims, Latinos, Asians etc. Assimilate means learn English plus OUR WAYS!)
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To: uncommonsense

Here is a more realistic analysis:

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2016/11/dod-contingency-for-president-trump.html


8 posted on 11/26/2016 9:14:40 AM PST by marktwain
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To: ctdonath2

I was asking the same. Is this just the Pentagon looking forward to Trump, and acting on their own to fulfill his stated intent? Surely Barack Castro did not authorize thus


9 posted on 11/26/2016 9:16:36 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (It's Morning in America. Again.)
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To: ctdonath2

It is a way to attempt to trick President Trump from initiating actual reform.

See comment #8.

It is saying to President Trump “We already did that, you do not need to do anything different.”


10 posted on 11/26/2016 9:16:55 AM PST by marktwain
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To: uncommonsense

Why “privately owned”? Shouldn’t all service personnel be issued a sidearm just like police?


11 posted on 11/26/2016 9:22:05 AM PST by bigbob (We have better coverage than Verizon - Can You Hear Us Now?)
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To: gaijin
"And I am IN California."

I don't know how you do it... keep fighting the good fight though.

12 posted on 11/26/2016 9:29:45 AM PST by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: gaijin

Excellent proposal. I would back it.

BTW, about time they allow our troops to be armed. This is long overdue.


13 posted on 11/26/2016 9:47:56 AM PST by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: marktwain

Thanks for the great info.

I wonder if they have a second contingency plan in the event that Trump does not fall for their initial contingency plan.


14 posted on 11/26/2016 9:50:10 AM PST by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: marktwain
That analysis gives good insight into the bureaucratic obstacles of this directive. The ridiculous thing is that Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley argued against this minor change to policy, or, could it be that their skill in theater is extraordinary and their fight against this is to show how substantial it is so that it remains unaddressed by the new administration.

This article/blog points out that the rank required to approve each request is a Commander. A commander doesn't have time for low-level matters of approving and reapproving vetted requests to carry a firearm. This creates an entire sub-process for receiving requests, doing the vetting, assuring individual compliance, auditing the process for conformance to regulations, and so on.

Yeah, I can see this was for show and it really does nothing from a practical matter to allow firearm carry on base.

15 posted on 11/26/2016 9:53:12 AM PST by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: uncommonsense

More winning?


16 posted on 11/26/2016 9:53:58 AM PST by moviefan8 (Charlie Sheen: "The only thing I am addicted to now is WINNING.")
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To: bigbob
"Shouldn’t all service personnel be issued a sidearm just like police?"

I would think so. If personnel aren't stable enough to carry - then why are in the "Armed Service"?

I think some of the leaders are afraid of retaliation for disciplinary actions, therefore, everyone must be unarmed. That's exactly what the left wants to do more broadly, and will do if given a single inch of wiggle room.

17 posted on 11/26/2016 9:58:05 AM PST by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: GailA

Sounds like we retired folk will STILL not be allowed to carry concealed on base.

And before someone say “concealed means concealed”, a person on a military base is subject to being searched at any time, and so is any vehicle.


18 posted on 11/26/2016 10:02:25 AM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of infants, ruled by their emotion)
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To: uncommonsense

“The ridiculous thing is that Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley argued against this minor change “

The other “ridiculous thing” will be right after January 20th when “general” Mark Milley is removed as Army Chief of Staff!


19 posted on 11/26/2016 10:03:09 AM PST by vette6387
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To: uncommonsense

“may grant permission ...”
This is the old “may issue” status, that has become obsolete in most states, in favor of “shall issue”. Let’s hope the next step is to change this language.


20 posted on 11/26/2016 10:24:45 AM PST by Fireone (The future must belong to those who tell the truth about Islam.)
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