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An Hispanic from Spain is white, no? Some Hispanics are white is the only point I am making here.

As I said, I do not count mixed or mostly Indian as white, but not ALL Hispanics are brown, or at least no more brown than an Italian or Greek.

And then I showed a pie graph of Mexico where only 9% of the country is white, so you and I are arguing over what?

so you and I are arguing over what

Are we arguing? It sounds to me this is apples and oranges, race versus racial identity which you introduced and has nothing whatsoever to do with what I was talking about originally. I could be wrong. If so, my apologies -- I'm wrong. My point was very simply that the white population is larger than what the Dem media would have us believe and cited a well-established and agreed-upon number of around 61%. You can't please everyone, but perhaps I should have gone into greater detail, drawn a graph or something explaining how this number was derived from the self-proclaimed. They self-identify as white non-Hispanic. As for brown Spaniards and white Mexicans or pink Irishmen, these complications you introduced are a moot point. The material point is these race demographics are based on self-proclaimed racial identity. No one is running around taking DNA (yet) at the census or on government forms. Around 61% of Americans self-identify as non-Hispanic white and that is what we have to go on and it's a whole lot higher than the media would have us believe. That's all I said. I agree with you that the number is probably higher. I myself have self-identified as native American more than once as I'm every bit as native American as Eastern European and English, I can assure you. I eventually just decided I'm non-Hispanic white because I look it and moved on. The only argument I had with your graphs is that although I agree the number is probably higher, it's not bankable in a discussion -- hence the belaboring of this discussion now -- and I was not interested in including Hispanics in the number cited as Hispanics are being included in the Dems necessary minority coalition. The Dems are claiming them -- fine for the purpose of my very simple statement. 61% is a bankable minimum number of whites and far more than the Dems would have us believe, that's why I used it instead of any of a number of higher, muddier numbers.