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Texas Oilmen Push For Ted Cruz but Immigration Hard-Liners Want Dark-Horse Kris Kobach
The London Daily Mail ^ | 5 hours ago | By David Martosko, Us Political Editor For Dailymail.com In Washington

Posted on 11/17/2016 4:51:35 PM PST by drewh

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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

LOL! All I did was ask what state you voted in!


201 posted on 11/18/2016 11:00:59 AM PST by MEG33 (God Bless Our Troops, ;Our Leaders And Our Nation)
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To: editor-surveyor
Cruz was born a citizen of the US.

There is no more natural born than that.

Willful ignorance is hard to overcome. You don't know for a fact his mother was a citizen at the time of his birth, in fact you only have some vague statements that he didn't know he was a citizen of Canada.

202 posted on 11/18/2016 11:41:11 AM PST by itsahoot (The Bush-Clinton Merger and when Obama joins that should convince anyone, but it won't.)
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To: BlueLancer
Shouldn't we be looking for the very youngest people that we can find for particularly judicial positions?

Two words for you to consider. John Roberts.

203 posted on 11/18/2016 11:45:21 AM PST by itsahoot (The Bush-Clinton Merger and when Obama joins that should convince anyone, but it won't.)
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To: editor-surveyor; Lurkinanloomin
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)

They are smart enough not to buy the B$ you are trying to peddle.

204 posted on 11/18/2016 11:55:59 AM PST by itsahoot (The Bush-Clinton Merger and when Obama joins that should convince anyone, but it won't.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
No, but he's also a US Senator, which also requires US citizenship.

Apparently not. The only official document we have seen is Cruz'a Canadian birth certificate.

205 posted on 11/18/2016 12:07:47 PM PST by itsahoot (The Bush-Clinton Merger and when Obama joins that should convince anyone, but it won't.)
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To: okie01
You claimed the founding fathers had defined “natural born citizen”.

That was a long time before the Court had difficulty in defining the meaning of the word "is." Truth is the Founding Fathers never contemplated the notion that common sense would totally disappear from the legal Intelligentsia.

206 posted on 11/18/2016 12:30:11 PM PST by itsahoot (The Bush-Clinton Merger and when Obama joins that should convince anyone, but it won't.)
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To: drewh
Texas Oilmen Push For Ted Cruz but Immigration Hard-Liners Want Dark-Horse Kris Kobach

Both were disappointed.

207 posted on 11/18/2016 12:39:35 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: itsahoot

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You just keep getting more devious and dishonest every day.
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208 posted on 11/18/2016 2:45:31 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: txhurl

“Prepare to be disappointed when Trump wisely deploys him”

How does one “wisely” deploy a backstabbing, narcissistic, lying, hack of a politician?

Make him Ambassador to Lower Slobovia?

I guess that could work.


209 posted on 11/18/2016 3:30:38 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: editor-surveyor
You just keep getting more devious and dishonest every day.

Nothing devious about accepting common sense. That means we probably shouldn't have an argument about the meaning of the word "Is" or what Shall not be infringed means.

210 posted on 11/18/2016 4:19:03 PM PST by itsahoot (The Bush-Clinton Merger and when Obama joins that should convince anyone, but it won't.)
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To: Godebert; itsahoot
I repeat:

You assume they referred to Vattel. But we don't know for sure, do we?

Note: I'm not asserting your assumption is in error. You may well be correct. But...we...don't...know...for...sure.

That circumstance leaves it up to Congress to define a citizen. And they have done so: either born in the USA* or born anywhere on the earth with at least one American parent, given certain conditions.

* so-called "birthplace citizenship" for illegals being arguable.

211 posted on 11/18/2016 5:17:26 PM PST by okie01
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To: okie01
"That circumstance leaves it up to Congress to define a citizen."

Of course. They can define a citizen however they choose, but only natural law defines a natural born Citizen.

212 posted on 11/18/2016 5:37:49 PM PST by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: editor-surveyor
"Cruz was born a citizen of the US. There is no more natural born than that.

Cruz was born in a foreign land to a foreign father. He is not even close to being a natural born Citizen.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

213 posted on 11/18/2016 5:44:26 PM PST by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: okie01
But we don't know for sure, do we?

I just assume they meant Natural Born Citizen was something different than Naturalized Citizen. Before Obama most freepers would have agreed with me before they attempted to justify Cruz because Obama got away with it. Just let it go Cruz will never be President, unless he runs as a Democrat.

214 posted on 11/18/2016 5:50:24 PM PST by itsahoot (The Bush-Clinton Merger and when Obama joins that should convince anyone, but it won't.)
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To: itsahoot
I just assume they meant Natural Born Citizen was something different than Naturalized Citizen. Before Obama most freepers would have agreed with me before they attempted to justify Cruz because Obama got away with it.

Uner current law, a "citizen by birth" is a citizen...and is distinct from a "naturalized" citizen.

Are you aware of when the first post appeared on Free Republic questioning Obama's citizenship because he had only one citizen parent?

It was December 8, 2008 -- almost a month after Obama's election.

215 posted on 11/18/2016 6:31:49 PM PST by okie01
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To: Godebert

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Your problem is that every sitting justice of SCOTUS and the district courts disagrees with you.

The “constitution” that you use is strictly in your imagination.
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216 posted on 11/18/2016 7:31:02 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: itsahoot

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Twisting the constitution to your own confusion is not “common sense.”
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217 posted on 11/18/2016 7:33:06 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Original intent is what matters.... at least to Conservatives. Clearly it is of no importance to you. I have no interest of convincing you of anything, as I believe you merely seek to advance the Obot agenda. I post my replies just to counter your misinformation.


218 posted on 11/18/2016 7:46:09 PM PST by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: itsahoot
Apparently not. The only official document we have seen is Cruz'a Canadian birth certificate.

Well, either that, or he's not really a US Senator.

219 posted on 11/18/2016 8:22:44 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Canadians can't be our President.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Twisting the constitution to your own confusion is not “common sense.”

You wouldn't know common sense if it bit you on the arse.

You are dead wrong not by logic but by emotion or you are paid.

220 posted on 11/18/2016 9:46:30 PM PST by itsahoot (The Bush-Clinton Merger and when Obama joins that should convince anyone, but it won't.)
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