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To: Fantasywriter

Same here. My unprofessional diagnosis would be she suffers narcissistic personality disorder with sociopathic traits. There are many different types of NPD, not all fit the stereotype of someone polished and primped like a movie star, which could be the somatic type. They also suffer deep depression, which could explain unkempt appearance at times, or a hangover. Or they may not look so great but they are wearing a $15,000 suit. So even though I’m not a doctor diagnosing anyone, which would entail a whole lot more, those are my thoughts. I find your thoughts on the topic very interesting, too.


171 posted on 11/17/2016 5:49:41 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: ViLaLuz

Thanks for your further thoughts. Here are two more items to consider. First, what happens every single time Obama gives a speech, without exception? Multiple people immediately count up the number times he says I, me, mine, etc., and publish it online.

Further note that it is always an extraordinarily, almost impossibly high number. Offhand, you can’t name anyone who comes close. Bill Clinton probably ranks second, but it’s not a close second.

Secondly, if you’ve been paying attention to Obama, you will have noted the really, truly nasty barbs he slips into people, usually with a disarming smile or friendly chuckle, so as to discount any malicious intent.

I don’t have time to give many examples. Two will have to suffice. First, recall the time he charmingly cautioned anyone from getting between Michelle and a tamale. This was so cruelly vicious, I really don’t have time to unpack it all. The short version is that he has a very large wife with weight/eating issues. She’s not the world’s most feminine woman either. So Obama lightly, smilingly, paints an image of her trampling people down—buffalo-like—on her charge toward a not-very-feminine food object (some associate tamales with gas).

That was pure, unmistakable Malignant Narcissism in action. That’s one of their foundational MOs—to sweetly stick the knife in, twist it, add salt, and then innocently protest, hey, it was just a joke. Does no one have a sense of humor?

Secondly, there are at least four photos of Obama giving people he hates the middle finger. Of course, in true MN style, he does it with plausible deniability. Hey, I was just resting my chin on my hand! Anybody reading more into it than that has a foul mind!

I could go on, but the point is Obama is MN to the marrow. It’s who and what he is.

By contrast, we never play the I, me, my game with Hillary. If she were a narcissist, we could and would. But she isn’t.

Second, you cannot cite a single sly, sneaky, mean and vile insult Hillary has leveled while pretending it was nothing. Nor does she obliquely shoot people the bird. She insults Trump as best she can, but with nowhere near the efficiency or effectiveness of an MN. Likewise she doesn’t play the snide it’s-a-middle-finger/no-it-isn’t game, or anything like it.
She just doesn’t have the MN gene/routine. She has a major personality disorder, but it’s not MN.


186 posted on 11/17/2016 9:30:53 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: ViLaLuz

One thing I need to add. If you know or have ever known a malignant narcissist, then you know there is one thing you never, EVER do to one. Namely, you don’t publicly humiliate them. This strikes at the core of the alternate-reality self-image the MN has created, and does so in an intolerable way. No measure is too extreme for an MN to take, in order to ensure a public humiliation never happens again.

In the Obama administration, what close associate showed Obama the least deference/came closest to publicly criticizing him?

Rahm Emanuel.

What close associate of Obama’s left DC never to return?

Rahm Emanuel. [Also note that, once in Chicago, Emanuel never criticized Obama in any way, shape or form.]

Now take Hillary. Bill has spent decades humiliating her. He’s done it so often, no one can keep track of the number. Yet far from repudiating his actions, Hillary has actively enabled him.

Look the world over. You will never find a MN who is also an enabler—particularly not of someone whose life’s work is humiliating them. The two roles are mutually exclusive.

A person can certainly have a personality disorder and be an enabler. They cannot, however, be a MN AND an enabler. That is like saying water can be dry. It can’t.


187 posted on 11/17/2016 10:39:59 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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