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Illegals demand Obama issue mass pardons amid Trump deportation fears
The Washington Times ^ | Tuesday, November 15, 2016 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 11/16/2016 3:02:32 AM PST by BradtotheBone

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To: BradtotheBone
Time for some backs to be wet on the south side of the river.

Adios, y'all!

41 posted on 11/16/2016 5:13:31 AM PST by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: jjotto

Not correct. Andrew Johnson and Jimmy Carter come to mind. The definition of Presidential amnesty is pardon applied to a group of people not individually named.


I don’t think that is constitutional. What were they pardoned for?

To me, our whole government is about protecting the rights of the individual. So enforcement of a law can only apply to an individual. e.g. when you round up a bunch of rioters, they are not “collectively” charged. Rather, each individual is separately charged with their own mug shot, fingerprints, etc.

If you can’t charge a group of un-named people, how can you pardon a group, without basically just invalidating the law they all broke, which would apply to all citizens. And a president does not have that authority.

Just asking. Your post confuses my understanding of how the law works.


42 posted on 11/16/2016 5:14:27 AM PST by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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To: Mr. Douglas

Agree - that’s what I was saying initially. They would still have to leave before being caught, even if pardoned, to be clean.


43 posted on 11/16/2016 5:23:47 AM PST by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: Mr. Douglas

There are court cases for specifics, but even a legal dictionary might help. Here’s one:

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Presidential+pardon

...Throughout U.S. history the courts have interpreted this [Constitutional] clause to give the president virtually unlimited power to issue pardons to individuals or groups and to impose conditions on the forgiveness...

...A related power is the power to grant “amnesty,” which is also implicit in the pardon power. Amnesty is applied to whole classes or communities, instead of individuals. The power to issue an amnesty and the effect of an amnesty are the same as those for a pardon...


44 posted on 11/16/2016 5:27:22 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: BradtotheBone
“Millions of law abiding undocumented immigrants are fearful of what will happen when the new Administration takes control in January,” the group of New York state lawmakers and immigration advocates said in a statement announcing the rally.

Millions of illegal aliens who claim to be law abiding, with the exception that they jumped the line and got in front of immigrants lawfully entering this country.

It would be nice if the rabble rousing community organizers would instead help to understand and characterize the issues and options.

I thought that Trump wants to do a couple of things first, like secure our borders to stop the flow of illegal aliens, and drug traffic, and deport convicted criminals, those with criminal histories, gang members, drug dealers, etc. to get them out of our jails and out of our country.

Then take a look at how best to deal with illegal aliens who otherwise are law abiding, tax paying visitors without work permits. The issue is that we do not have a country if we selectively enforce our laws. Right now we are shamefully ignoring our immigration laws, and figuratively spitting on those who lawfully entered our country. Is that fair?

If we had an honest and competent media, they would be helping instead of encouraging the law breakers to be coddled and catered to, and calling everyone who disagrees with them racists.

45 posted on 11/16/2016 5:32:12 AM PST by olezip
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To: BradtotheBone

Illegal alien invaders have no “right” to “demand” anything. Send them home. They wave the Mexican flag and say Trump is not their president. Well, this is not their country.


46 posted on 11/16/2016 5:56:19 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (America sent the adults back to Washington. Sorry snowflakes, spring break is over.)
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To: BradtotheBone
"Demand" for lawless behavior. I love it.

Wonder what would happen if one of us went to a bank and "demanded" money. Or walked up to a woman in a bar and "demanded" sex. Or....

47 posted on 11/16/2016 6:17:45 AM PST by wbill
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To: BradtotheBone

They re going back. The fruit of their criminal activity is coming home. Deport all illegals and build the wall.


48 posted on 11/16/2016 6:18:33 AM PST by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%)
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To: olezip

illegal aliens who otherwise are law abiding, tax paying visitors without work permits.
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1. Illegal aliens are not law abiding...

2. They don’t pay taxes...

3. They never have work permits...


49 posted on 11/16/2016 6:33:17 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: olezip

spitting on those who lawfully entered our country. Is that fair?
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if you have to ask, you don’t understand the gravity of the situation for immigrants...


50 posted on 11/16/2016 6:35:17 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

“Illegals demand..”

THEY always DEMAND! GET them OUT of here!


51 posted on 11/16/2016 7:01:10 AM PST by AuntB (Trump is our Ben Franklin - Brilliant, Boisterous, Brave and ALL AMERICAN!)
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To: BradtotheBone

Oh sure. Obama wants to add THAT to his soon to be dismantled legacy.


52 posted on 11/16/2016 7:13:01 AM PST by moehoward
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53 posted on 11/16/2016 7:13:31 AM PST by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: A politician that won't keep his word to Veterans/Military won't keep them to You!)
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54 posted on 11/16/2016 7:14:14 AM PST by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: A politician that won't keep his word to Veterans/Military won't keep them to You!)
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To: BradtotheBone

What we will actually see is considerably different, and has its own order to things:

1) ICE and CBP will get heavy reinforcement and clear directives to stop the illegal flow across the border.

2) The wall will actually be built quickly, now that the POTUS actually wants to build it, instead of jerking everyone around and pretend to build it at a snail’s pace.

3) A directive will be issued to the FBI and US Marshals that felon deportees will be rounded up, along with foreign gang members (MS-13 and Mexican Mafia). Since Mexico probably cannot handle too many at once, either it lets us fly them to central and southern Mexico with a hundred jumbo jets, or we will kick them across the border, even if they are then rounded up by the cartels and given guns. Not our problem.

4) The biggest collection of deportees will be based on their receiving government largess, for an extended period.

That is, if an illegal family is on welfare of any variety, including medicaid care, it is not a problem. What *is* a problem if they have stayed on welfare for an extended time. This puts them at the head of list for wide scale deportation. Other factors are if any are employed, if they have paid taxes, if any are “frequent flyers” with the police, etc.

5) A number of things will mitigate deportation. If they have lived in the US for a long time (based on a sliding scale), if some are engaged in successful business, how many members of the family are legal vs. illegal, what level of education have they received, any military service, and importantly, *intent to integrate and take US citizenship*.

This last one is an oddity, because many Mexican citizens working in the US do not want to become Americans, just to work here and send money home to Mexico. At some point they want to return to Mexico, their homeland.

6) There must be serious reform to immigration. Not all countries should be allowed to immigrate to the US. The Visa system needs major reforms:

https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/general/all-visa-categories.html

And most of all, there needs to be a means for legal immigration from those nations we want immigrants from, that can be done both outside the US, as it is currently done, but also within the US.

On top of that, immigration quotas need to be brought back. Not all immigrants are equal, and many are undesirable. The Democrat idea of “everybody in the world should be treated equally”, is both stupid and destructive.


55 posted on 11/16/2016 7:16:03 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Friday, January 20, 2017. Reparations end.)
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To: BradtotheBone

How can he pardon someone who has not yet been charged with the crime of illegal entry into the USA?


56 posted on 11/16/2016 7:18:52 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Crush your enemies, ..... and to hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: BradtotheBone
Been a problem for many years. Here is an OLD one!


57 posted on 11/16/2016 7:22:20 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Crush your enemies, ..... and to hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: BradtotheBone
law abiding undocumented immigrants

Oxymoron. Doing something illegally isn't exactly law-abiding...

58 posted on 11/16/2016 8:49:55 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: BradtotheBone
Should be viewed as: Illegals demand Obama issue mass pardons INCLUDING CONVICTED RAPISTS AND MURDERS amid Trump deportation fears" COURTESY OF THE DNC
59 posted on 11/16/2016 9:47:41 AM PST by CptnObvious
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