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To: Hostage

“One cannot measure ‘consciousness’. If otherwise, it would be possible to make robots have ‘understanding’ and therefore imbue them with a ‘soul’, thereby completing and enabling human fleshly matter to enter the godhead which is impossible because of Satan’s death sentence to the flesh.”

When one is standing in the trenches asleep as we are while in this physical body, what you say is very true. When we allow our consciousness to grow to higher frequencies, what you say is not true. For example, in demonstrating why Jesus taught what He did, I demonstrate in front of groups that our thoughts and stored memories of our life experiences are physical tangible objects by reading people’s souls in detail. Their thoughts and stored memories are physical to my perceptions. (This is why Jesus spoke of the weeds being planted here while we were asleep in Matthew 13.)

I even walk back several feet from a person and knock them off their feet by touching these stored memories in their souls. When you are One with Jesus your perception of reality changes.

Robots can not have a soul as they can only imitate the logical aspect of consciousness and not the feminine emotional component. Narcissists who deny their feminine aspect of consciousness including compassion and empathy also imitate the robotic pattern of consciousness.

Satan can have the flesh, it is the soul that is important.

“God is light.” Yes, God is Light. So is Jesus. When I go deep in meditation through various levels of consciousness, I always perceive the level of consciousness above which I exist as “Light.” Consciousness functions very similar to atomic physics in that just as Neals Bohr discovered that an electron going from an outer orbital to an inner orbital must give off light, so must consciousness coming from a higher level to a lower level.

I see the Holy Spirit as a “Liquid Light” that is brighter than the human soul. I see the Light from Heaven as far brighter when the portal opens up for someone to cross over or enter as they leave their physical bodies. There are many levels of Light, all of which exist within God and are of God.

I need to run as I have much work to do, but will finish this comment later.

There are no such things as miracles, they are just science that we do not currently understand.

The purpose of science is to understand how God works.

God is in control.


51 posted on 11/14/2016 8:30:43 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: tired&retired

> “When one is standing in the trenches asleep as we are while in this physical body, what you say is very true. When we allow our consciousness to grow to higher frequencies, what you say is not true. For example, in demonstrating why Jesus taught what He did, I demonstrate in front of groups that our thoughts and stored memories of our life experiences are physical tangible objects by reading people’s souls in detail. Their thoughts and stored memories are physical to my perceptions. (This is why Jesus spoke of the weeds being planted here while we were asleep in Matthew 13.)”

Afraid you are missing the point there Pastor.

You are talking about what you ‘understand’. Your understanding is not a measurable thing like mass, time, space. If is a thing of ‘consciousness’.

When you say you are ‘tuning to’ or ‘growing to’ ‘higher frequencies’ of consciousness, you are borrowing terms of physical measurement for things which you record in your ‘perceptions’, even describing such things as “physical to my perceptions”, but which are not physically measurable. They are tangible to your perceptions, to your sensibilities, to the framework you’ve developed for your consciousness, but a thermometer cannot measure such things nor could any sensor instrument.

Even if you developed some sort of psycho-social scale such as a Likert scale to measure your congregation’s ‘stories’ and testimonies, you would not be able to formulate a cause-effect relationship that would predict outcomes with a very high degree of confidence such as the launch of a rocket.

Science is about replicating physical results, predicting results by way of calculation.

More importantly, the scientific method can be WRONG and must be testable, meaning capable of yielding wrong results in order to provide value to our knowledge base. Whereas Astrology is by design never wrong.

This sounds confusing. But it’s not.

As a system, astrology is never wrong, it always has an explanation. If it’s not predicting the right outcome, it’s because of ‘operator error’ in for example not taking into account some phase of some moon or some orbit of some planet. It always has an answer, and therefore as a system is able to predict everything as long as its agents, astrologers know how to find the answer and are trained to describe the conditions. It is completely fraudulent and has been proven scientifically to be fraudulent, although people have fun with it as some sort of organizer for their thoughts and ‘perceptions’.

On the other hand, science posits a hypothesis and then devises an experiment or test of that hypothesis. The result can be true, false or inconclusive. Each result yields information and is useful because of the information it provides.

When we are talking about God in Spirit or God in the Flesh, we are no longer talking about science. We are talking about the very essence of consciousness which can never be described by anything computational. Science tries to ‘reduce’ our perceptions, our understandings to computation. So does astrology to some degree. The difference is science CAN BE wrong, whereas astrology arranges itself in a con game of fraud. Christ is ALWAYS true in EVERY INSTANCE. Truth exists but not in astrology. It seems to exist in science but without consciousness, but it doesn’t really exist as truth because it is always and forever INCOMPLETE. But it is useful to us so we tolerate its incompleteness and invest in its growth. Our ideal in science is TRUTH but we never quite get there. The aim in astrology is to wave one’s hands to explain away events and occurrences. Both science and astrology use computation. With Christ, He is never ‘reduced’ to computation, He is the one and only Truth; He is ALWAYS true; we just can’t compute him.

Basic logic is computational. When ‘logic’ states something is true, it means it is true in EVERY INSTANCE. If it returns a true value 999 times and a false value 1 time, then it is NOT true, it is invalid. This is why in science, we say ALL MODELS ARE FALSE, SOME ARE USEFUL. We can devise systems of mathematics or logic that are internally consistent meaning derived forms are valid within the overall axioms and postulates, but such systems are not complete in the sense that these systems do not and can never predict everything. They can be complete within a certain realm of observation, for certain conditions but put under a wider realm, they fail.

Christ is always true in every instance. He is the Only One that is this way. He is True; He is Truth. There is not one instance of him that is false, not one. But He is not scientific, he is not reducible to computation and formulation of physical constants and terms. He is not placeable under our ‘logic’, our scientific methods.

Sir Roger Penrose explains it well. Watch here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHORQoauWo


57 posted on 11/14/2016 10:41:07 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V):)
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