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To: mandaladon
Pennsylvania has voted for Democratic presidential candidates since 1988 and holds 20 electoral votes.

They elected Santorum, there must be some GOP votes out there.

7 posted on 11/02/2016 8:54:46 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro

A lot of NYC people invading PA. Some commute. Some spring, summer, fall it, then head south.


9 posted on 11/02/2016 8:56:13 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: 1Old Pro

They elected Santorum, there must be some GOP votes out there.

He was elected in a midterm 1994 election and lost in the devastating 2006 election. Both times the results were because of Republicans. lol.


13 posted on 11/02/2016 8:59:05 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: 1Old Pro

That is the strangest name for a poll I’ve ever heard.

I heard on the radio today there is a poll out there of 8 “bellwether” counties which almost always vote the same party in presidential elections. They polled them to see if they were changing this year, which would indicate a shift in the national race. 2 are in PA. One of them has changed from Democrat to solid Trump, and that’s Luzerne. I know they always do vote Democrat from previous maps.

It also happens to be my birthplace which I’ve been to several times recently. This week I saw there are Lou Barletta and Trump signs almost wall-to-wall. Driving down a main road in my hometown, I started thinking Trump vs. Clinton signs were 10 to 1. By the end of the drive out of town I think 25 to 1 is more accurate. This is a heavy coal, manufacturing, blue-collar area. Used to be total white, but has become 50% hispanic like all of northeastern PA since 2000 due to mass immigration and white flight.

This is a total difference from the Philly burbs where you would not know there is an election going on. You have to drive miles before you can find a Hillary sign and no one has Trump signs out. The Philly area has the same low enthusiasm for Hillary as everywhere else, but they also hate Trump. These are the college-educated whites that Trump is struggling with.

So those are the two tales of PA.


14 posted on 11/02/2016 9:01:27 AM PDT by JediJones (Social conservatism is the root of all conservatism.)
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To: 1Old Pro
Good point. Historically, I believe Republicans tend to do better in PA in off-year elections like the 1994 seismic elections that Santorum rode to victory. But that didn't stop Santorum from winning re-election in 2000, in a year that Bush lost PA.

Several things at work here may make this an unconventional election in PA, though ...

1. Trump is getting a lot of support from white men -- Republicans and Democrats alike. He practically owns western Pennsylvania, which has been a Democrat/union stronghold for several generations.

2. I've been saying for months that Trump is going to outperform expectations among black voters by a wide margin.

3. PA has been rocked by the scandal in which the state's Democratic attorney general was prosecuted, convicted and sentenced for obstruction of justice and perjury. I believe this will only reinforce the "drain the swamp" mentality that helps Trump in a big way.

24 posted on 11/02/2016 9:18:04 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: 1Old Pro

Don’t forget Toomey. We are one of the best states in which to be a gun owner.

I live in the Philly burbs, and I can tell you without a doubt that things are very different this go around. In the office, in the bars, and along the roads.

I’m looking forward to finally living in a red state.


29 posted on 11/02/2016 9:41:03 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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