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To: rb22982

The NYT seems to think that NC looks like a 6 point win for HRC. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/north-carolina-early-vote-tracker.html?_r=2

But they also admit that there prediction is based, in part, on their polling.


76 posted on 10/27/2016 10:36:17 AM PDT by Rumierules
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To: Rumierules
1) They put too much emphasis on the absentee mail in ballots which skew very old people. They are down among Republicans vs 2012. These votes were like 5.5% of Republican totals and 4.5% of Democratic totals in 2012.
2) Absentee In Person voting is where the action is at. 65% of Democrat votes in 2012 came this way and 45% of Republicans. Early on, both Republicans and Democrats were down 10% in this group with indies up 30%. Indies are still up almost 30% but Republicans are now flat and Democrats are now down 13% vs 2012. I believe this group (early in person voting) is the true-representative sample of the state.

Indeed, on Saturday, total early votes (in person and mail in), Republicans were -15% behind 2012, Democrats were -8% behind 2012 and independents up 25%. Today, Democrats are down 11%, Republicans down 9% and indies still up 25%. This trend is going to continue unless the expansion of in person polling sites drastically increases Democratic early voting and not R. And yes, early voting helps Dems here - Obama had like a 300k vote lead going into election day (lost by 3%)

77 posted on 10/27/2016 10:52:30 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: Rumierules
Put another way, if you take Mail In Ballots + In person ballots from 2012 combined with their poll, the NYT is correct. The difference is I forecast out the lost mail in ballots for Republicans @ 20k vs 2012 (there were only 150k mail in ballots total in 2012 regardless of party). However, I'm forecasting lost in person ballots for Democrats of ~175-200k if this current trend continues (Dem -13% and getting worse).

If you assume the 30% increase in indies, which is nearly 50% male (very good mix) and nearly all white (85%) skew Trump, it's possible that rather than a 300k hole on votes on election day, Trump has a 100k hole. But like I said - we'll find out more over the next couple of days as early voting places expand (in 2012 it was expanded the whole time)

78 posted on 10/27/2016 11:12:19 AM PDT by rb22982
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