Posted on 10/21/2016 6:41:05 AM PDT by rlmorel
James O'Keefe has produced documentation in his Project Veritas endeavor which has produced two videos that I know of to date (which can be found on Youtube as well, Part 1: Rigging the Election - Video I: Clinton Campaign and DNC Incite Violence at Trump Rallies and Part 2: Rigging the Election - Video II: Mass Voter Frauds.
I have watched these two videos, and the content astonishes me. But let me clarify that they do not astonish me the way they might astonish or startle many Americans, because the tactics are not new, I have seen evidence of this before, and being enough of a student of Liberalism to understand it better, I realize this is who they are and how they function.
I took the time to read Alinsky's work, and to read the books Obama has supposedly written as well to better understand the actions and tactics of liberals, and while absolutely none of it has surprised me, it has certainly disgusted me, particularly Alinsky, who is a demi-god to most upper ranking liberals today, significantly Obama and Clinton.
So, that doesn't surprise me at all that they are inciting violence, engaging in voter fraud, and breaking election laws left and right. As James O'Keefe says in the first video, there is strong evidence of criminality.
What surprises me is the level of smug arrogance the leftists in these videos exhibit, openly bragging about their activities, and the realization they feel obviously empowered to do this because they believe their backs are covered by the Administration, DNC, and other arms of the government populated under direct control of leftists "down with the cause" of liberalism and the tactics used to advance it. Arms such as the FBI, the DOJ, etc.
This is what the last eight years of Obama has brought to us.
The reason I am starting this thread is to discuss why this is not taking hold. It simply isn't because the news media is suppressing it, which they clearly are. It isn't because the candidates and national parties don't want to discuss it openly, which they don't. There is more to it. On the face of it, this should be exploding even with those factors.
the video is irrefutable. It is specific. It has times, places, and people.
It isn't video taken out of context, it is completely in context.
It isn't audio that might be faked. It is video of highly recognizable people, in expected locations, speaking on camera.
The people aren't nobodies, rogue operators, fringe players, autonomously operating on their own. These are two significant players who, between them, have visited the White House nearly 350 officially recorded times, and met PERSONALLY with the President of The United States 40+ times. Forty times. Watch the video, listen to what they say, and think about that. Nearly 350 visits overall in eight years to the seat of American political power, and met personally with ostensibly the most powerful political figure on earth. Again, watch the video, listen to what they say, and think about that.
When I saw this video, it impressed me as having the potential to be the most significant political developments in modern American political history. It should be generating a 9.6 earthquake on the political Richter Scale. Why isn't even barely registering, even taking into account the media and national party attempts to suppress it?
I recognize there are many factors at play, and it has only been a few days since this video was released. The Watergate scandal took several weeks to begin percolating.
I have also been told that these to key players, Robert Creamer and Scott Foval, are bit players, unknowns. My response to this is two-fold: First, these two men are not unknowns. They have been to the White House hundreds if times, Robert Creamer has even been photographed shopping with Michelle Obama. Secondly, in the past, people like Virgilio González, Bernard Barker, James McCord, Eugenio Martínez, and Frank Sturgis were real nobodies, and that didn't stop a political tsunami.
So, lets talk. What is this, why is this, in a time when it should explode with shock waves to the top of the White House and DNC, is this quietly sitting there?
Not.
Gonna.
Happen.
I agree. OMG, can you see, the same award they gave to those two liberal scum reporters Woodward and Bernstein, having to give that to O’Keefe???
Hear that spinning sound...:)
Like a lot of people, I can stay informed without being spoon fed what someone wants me to know. I can look at disparate sources of information and use my own intellect to sort out the wheat from the chaff.
Roger that!
As you likely know, it takes time and effort, and when you are occasionally wrong, you have to accept it as your own shortcoming instead of saying “That’s what Dan Rather said!”
Plus, it is disheartening to know that you can research the bejeezus out of an issue and make an intelligent determination, and have your vote cancelled out by a crack whore.
And have your vote cancelled by a DEAD crack whore.
Sure they did!
Why do you think CNN calls him a discredited felon without mentioning they mean he plead guilty to what was essentially trespassing?
"Hahahaha! Not only do we recruit legions of intellectual zombies to counteract their votes, if they die because of our liberal policies, we STILL get to use them to counteract their votes! BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"
And, as we have seen, true or not, it simply allows them to buy more time, obfuscate, obscure, filibuster, etc.
Which is what they want to do anyway, because if you make them talk about the video itself and its content...they can’t deny what it is. (Though I did hear one significant source in the Democratic Party say “These were conceptual conversations”.
Really. They DID say that.
Like he's a "felon" for trespassing?
I have a real problem with these supposed “conservatives” carrying water for the left.
They repeat rat talking points such as O’Keefe “faked” videos because he pretended to be a pimp, he “doctored” videos because he edited them (like muslims say Christians and Jews “corrupted” the Scriptures), and he’s “discredited” because all the media endlessly preach the first two points without ever mentioning “why” they call O’Keefe names.
It’s not dying, it’s dead. Like every other “story” about political corruption in the post Nixon world the audience can be divided into two groups: those who already suspected stuff like this, and those that don’t care. Subsequently these kinds of things don’t generate much splash anymore.
I don’t know. I think there would be a large number of people who simply don’t believe or want to believe this could be going on.
As I said, if I felt the way you described in your post, I would fully believe our country is past saving. And I can’t bring myself to that point yet.
That’s not to say I don’t feel that way on occasion, because I sure do.
I feel the same way. It is as if (as if!) they don’t want to stop getting the invites to the parties in the Hamptons...
Using the terminology of our enemies NEVER helps our cause. Their job (and apparently, yours) is to obfuscate: not elaborate.
I think these particular "mouth whores" are selling for MUCH less than Hamptons parties....
Don’t believe is basically the same as don’t care.
Corruption happens. It’s a long tradition in politics. Since Watergate more people acknowledge it, but it goes back to the early days. The Daley Machine, Tammany Hall. It’s just how things work.
We differ on this.
And I do think if someone doesn’t believe something, it doesn’t mean they don’t care, IMO. Sometimes, people can’t bring themselves to believe something, and I think that is an element of human nature in some people. They may care deeply about something but cannot face the truth. (That is what I am referring to)
I see a distinct difference in outlook, morals, behavior and beliefs in conservatives vs. liberals, and I don’t think both are the same. (Though I do believe in elements of the “Uniparty” theory as some here call it. I find it hard to distinguish the difference between Republicans who toe the line on leftist policies (those we call RINO) and the Democrats who propose the policies in the first place.)
The foundations of what we see in American leftist politics of the last 50 years has more (historically speaking) in common with the Soviet Union than it does with America, in my opinion.
True. This is last test. If Trump doesn’t win, no Republican will win again anytime soon.
Often times when people don’t believe in something it’s because they just aren’t interested in finding out about it. On the political corruption front they’ve picked their side and have no interest in information that goes against it.
There’s plenty of folks on the conservative side that don’t listen to anything about GOP corruption, or when they do they write off those participating as RINOs and move on. It’s an inherent problem in the way we choose sides politically. Many people see their political affiliation as basically the same as their sports affiliation, this is their team, these are their guys, and they remain loyal. Just look at how many conservatives love Joe Arpaio even though he’s clearly corrupt, but he investigated Obama’s birth certificate so they love him. Look how many conservatives loved Jan Brewer for rubberstamping a couple of bills from the state legislature completely ignoring the fact that she was a tax and spend liberal, but she yelled at Obama so they loved her.
Party politics creates an environment that not only encourages corruption, but encourages not looking too closely at your side.
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