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China’s J-20 Stealth Fighter Will Likely Look Like This At Its Air Show Debut
The War Zone ^ | 10/18/16 | Tyler Rogoway

Posted on 10/19/2016 5:51:29 AM PDT by Yo-Yo

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1 posted on 10/19/2016 5:51:29 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo

Well, ya can’t say it’s not a good looking plane.


2 posted on 10/19/2016 5:56:06 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Ted Kennedy burns in hell.)
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To: Yo-Yo

I will bet anything that the cost to build it is a fraction of the F-22 and F-35.


3 posted on 10/19/2016 5:57:54 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (frequently.)
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To: Yo-Yo

No thrust vectoring I see.


4 posted on 10/19/2016 5:58:44 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Especially if you have slave labor available...


5 posted on 10/19/2016 6:03:06 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: hitting your target.)
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I will bet anything that the cost to build it is a fraction of the F-22 and F-35.

They saved a ton of money by starting off with the blueprints for both those planes.

6 posted on 10/19/2016 6:03:40 AM PDT by Never on my watch (Jeesh!)
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To: Artemis Webb; Yo-Yo

That is a fine looking plane. Darn. They have been so well known for putting out aircraft that looked like dogs to me, I thought I would be able to hang my hat on that, at least.

No dice on this one!

Engines appear to be home-grown. Cost is still pretty high, but they have the money to spend, apparently.

I won’t underestimate newer Chinese hardware, but I don’t have much respect for their operations end of things, from what I have been able to tell.


7 posted on 10/19/2016 6:06:00 AM PDT by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: tgusa

When they can build 10-20 of those at the same cost as one of our F-22’s or F-35’s they overcome some technological disadvantages with sheer numbers.


8 posted on 10/19/2016 6:07:08 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (frequently.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I had heard the cost was comparable...these are very low production rate planes, apparently.


9 posted on 10/19/2016 6:07:13 AM PDT by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: Yo-Yo

Loks like a Saab Gripen and an F22 got together and started a family.

CC


10 posted on 10/19/2016 6:11:55 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (CC: purveyor of cryptic, snarky posts since December, 2000..)
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To: rlmorel

“Heard the cost was comparable”??? Don’t know where that came from. The Chinese never disclose that kind of information. When you consider they probably stole most of the design and have very low Production costs, the idea that their cost would be comparable is wishful thinking is not ludicrous. That’s like saying the cost of maintaining and equipping one Chinese Soldier is comparable to maintaining and equipping one of ours. They also build Submarines and other ships for a fraction of the cost of ours. Our Bid, R&D and Production costs are so ridiculously high that any comparison with the Chinese would be fantasy. Take it from me, I used to be in that “Racket”.


11 posted on 10/19/2016 6:14:07 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (frequently.)
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I will bet anything that the cost to build it is a fraction of the F-22 and F-35.

1. I doubt the chicoms have labor unions, which drive up the costs enormously with much, much higher wages;

2. They don't have greedy corporations (Lockheed-Martin) that put corporate profits and huge executive bonuses ahead of national interests;

3. The cost of "Wining and Dining" crooked politicians there is probably not a much as here (just a guess).

12 posted on 10/19/2016 6:25:56 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Honest Abe MADE Her Lie, so now She is a pathological LIAR)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

They also can use the interest we pay them on our debt which they hold. Also, I am NOT going to advocate “Slave Labor”, but history shows us that a lot of armies are built on slave labor or forced conscription. It helps to provide strength in numbers.


13 posted on 10/19/2016 6:30:53 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (frequently.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Yeah, I hear you. But if the production run is very small (or not disclosed) I would imagine the cost per unit will be far higher, so it didn’t strike me the same way it did you..I would defer to you on this, though.


14 posted on 10/19/2016 6:31:54 AM PDT by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: Yo-Yo

Very impressive looking, but like a Chinese tool, how long will it hold up? Ever try to put in or remove a Chinese Philips screw with an American made screw driver?


15 posted on 10/19/2016 6:32:26 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (???? It dissappeared.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Big weapons bay.
I wonder what sort of anti-ship missiles will fit in there?


16 posted on 10/19/2016 6:35:30 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

>3. The cost of “Wining and Dining” crooked politicians there is probably not a much as here (just a guess).

Actually the PRC is quite corrupt. Nothing gets done there without juice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_China


17 posted on 10/19/2016 6:35:44 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Never on my watch
"...They saved a ton of money by starting off with the blueprints for both those planes."

Talk about saving money, I'll bet they built them in China, too!

18 posted on 10/19/2016 6:48:37 AM PDT by Gargantua ("President Trump... nice ring to it..." ;^)
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To: RitchieAprile

I guess the argument of Quality versus Quantity should be referred to Veterans of the 1st Cavalry Division who were in the Chosen Reservoir during the Korean War when the Chinese Army came across the Yalu River.


19 posted on 10/19/2016 6:52:02 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (frequently.)
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To: Yo-Yo

They finally used the correct plywood.


20 posted on 10/19/2016 6:55:46 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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