Posted on 10/04/2016 10:36:17 AM PDT by nickcarraway
In Brooklyn, the progressive left is fracturing over charges of anti-Semitism.
A group of Jewish activists pamphleted an open mic event held last week at Brooklyn Commons, a progressive gathering space in Boerum Hill, condemning the venue’s leadership for partnering with “anti-Semities and white nationalists” — and the scene descended into chaos.
The crowd shouted. Cellphone cameras clicked on, cameras flashed. One man raised a chair over his head threateningly; a pile of papers, a coffee cup and music stand were wielded as weapons.
“I had never seen anything like it a progressive space,” said Michael A. Gould-Wartofsky, a protestor who was yanked off the stage. “I had seen it in neo-Nazi rallies, but never on the left at this tenor. People started … calling me a fascist and a Zionist Jew.”
Organizers at Brooklyn Commons, who protestors say forced them out of the venue amidst the uproar, declined to comment — and some Jewish activists denounced the protest.
28 Sep daniel sieradski ✔ @selfagency On Monday night, a group of progressive Jewish activists went to an open mic at @BrooklynCommons where they were called Zionists & assaulted Follow daniel sieradski ✔ @selfagency Here is video of @mgouldwartofsky being assaulted at @BrooklynCommons. 6:31 AM - 28 Sep 2016
3 3 Retweets 3 3 likes 28 Sep daniel sieradski ✔ @selfagency Here is video of @mgouldwartofsky being assaulted at @BrooklynCommons. pic.twitter.com/Lad4xROfSK Follow daniel sieradski ✔ @selfagency And another video of @mgouldwartofsky being assaulted at @BrooklynCommons. 6:32 AM - 28 Sep 2016
3 3 Retweets 2 2 likes No one was hurt, but the incident comes just weeks after Brooklyn Commons hosted anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theorist Christopher Bollyn for a September talk — a move widely condemned by leftist Jewish groups. The Commons did not directly answer charges that Bollyn was anti-Semitic, but did stand by their decision to host him — saying that the rental space was never meant to be a “cozy cocoon” for leftists.
The entire fiasco also prompted wider soul-searching within parts of the Jewish left, as activist groups struggle to distinguish political criticism of Israel from what they see as more deep-seated anti-Semitism. Anti-occupation groups IfNotNow and Jewish Voice for Peace — whose members themselves are branded as anti-Semitic for their criticism of Israel — scrambled to condemn Bollyn rhetoric.
On the heels of the Bollyn event, JVP issued a “policy statement” defining anti-Semitism, seeking to distinguish “real anti-Semitism” from “problematic definitions,” like the ones leveled against them.
Follow Rebecca Vilkomerson @RVilkomerson .@jvplive released today statements on anti-semitism-what it is&what it isn't. We hope it will be useful resource! https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/fighting-antisemitism/ … 1:49 PM - 8 Sep 2016 Photo published for Fighting Antisemitism | 2016 Fighting Antisemitism | 2016 Our own commitment to fighting all forms of oppression grounds our organizing for justice for all people. jewishvoiceforpeace.org 45 45 Retweets 35 35 likes The new policy statement was put to the test just weeks later.
JVP condemned Miko Peled, a leftist Israeli writer, for expressing what they said were anti-Semitic views on Facebook. Other leftists pushed back, one condemning Vilkomerson as a “Zionist in the closet.” A few days later, the JVP dialed back its condemnation of Peled.
Gould-Wartofsky, who is a PhD candidate at New York University and also wrote a book chronicling the early days of the Occupy Wall Street protests, said that he would not seek to report the altercation at Brooklyn Commons to police.
He suggests that what’s at stake is competing definitions of anti-Semitism and the thorny question of when anti-Zionism becomes anti-Semitism.
“I have seen anti-Semitism on the left before,” said Gould-Wartofksy. “There are corners in the left that interact with the far right and see themselves on the same page.”
Not everyone at the Brooklyn event saw things from Gould-Wartofsky’s perspective. In a public Facebook post posted after the event, Mitchel Cohen, a Brooklyn Commons supporter, called Gould-Wartofsky’s group “white fascists” who disrupted a “gathering of mostly people of color” and “ranted at the people of color and leftists there.”
The group called themselves “Jewish Antifascist Action,” Cohen noted, but charged: “the so-called ‘anti-racists’… were as racist as can be.”
“I had seen it in neo-Nazi rallies, but never on the left at this tenor”
Prove it, and say what you but I have never seen the headline; “Neo-Nazi Rally Turns Violent”. The leftist and progressives are the ones who typically have violent rallies. Look no further than Black Lives Matter.
Karl Marx was a Jew, and he voted ‘left’, too.
From all the news reports only, since I no longer live in an area of Jewish influence, Jews who vote liberal, are no better than those Jews who sell Communism, like Bernie Sanders.
some (not all but some) of the JINO (Jewish in name only) left.... are mentally insane, crazy, nutjobs
sorry to have to say
otherwise known as sufferers from JSS (JewishSuicideSyndrome) these nutjobs are “activists” for anything that wants to murder Jewish people
there is no answer. Stockholm Syndrome is a known psychiatric illness (remember also Patty Hearst, consider also the atheist (but from a formerly Jewish family) SorosNazi who as a youth helped the German Nazis persecute innocent Jewish people in WW2 and who STILL funds all sorts of ‘causes’ that seek to murder Jews or destroy Israel
there is no answer. The Jews have a very long history of self-haters and traitors amongst them (see Bible and Talmud for that matter, its a 3000 year history of having traitors and enemies within their midst)
and perhaps it is the Christian Satan or his Legions, working their evil in this world?
ps: the rest of the Jews are very sensible, sane people and many (increasingly more, too) are voting sensibly, too
these are largely the ones who keep the faith, however practiced these are the ones that still believe in God
the JINO-selfhating JSS/Nazi types are usually FORMER Jews, or those that have lost most or all connection with God and the Jewish people (or maybe go occasionally to a “liberal” or “reform” synagogue which largely rejects and does not practice the faith much — there are quite a number of these)
it is similar to Cafeteria Catholics and Liberal or Progressive or Post-Christian Protestants like PCUSA, Pelosi, a few infamous IslamoNazi black pastors, and O’s socalled “church” == people who are, in reality, not Christans (or not any longer) and who are openly hostile to Christian faith and Christian people
it is very much alike for these leftist JINOs
George Soros is a “Jew” too..and during Nazi Germany he told the Nazi’s where the Jews were hiding and said he had zero regrets
American\European Jews = Book Smart but incredibly naive and ignorant. Comes from being cloistered, narrow-minded and a culturally matriarchal culture(Feminized). How with rare exception they passively walked into the gas chambers. Post-war Israeli Sabra Jews, more in lines of Old Testament As* kickers and the toughest kid on the block. My relatives fought in the Pacific and at Normandy and my Father was a fighter pilot. Then again my relatives were old Irish\English Jews, a very rare breed, we had more in common with our Catholic neighbors then sniveling book worm pacifist in places like Austria and France.
Marx's parents converted before he was born and he was raised as a lapsed Protestant, so he was never Jewish, except ethnically. His "Money is the jealous god of Israel," was the root cause of the left's antisemitism.
Shocked to pass a local synagogue - that’s been in the community for at least 60 years - and saw it was guarded by three cops as it was ending its holiday service. Never, ever saw that before.
I was raised Catholic but my ancestors - going back to my great-grandfather on my mother’s side were British Jews out of Holland.
Dear nick,
As other European societies have determined in the millenia before I was born, ‘if the mom is jewish, so was the child’. That did not delineate between ‘practicing/nonpracticing’, just bloodlines. So, Marx was a Jew, and he ‘voted’ left, by his writing ‘Das kapital’, aka, the Communist manifesto.
I am fully aware, but that doesn’t apply here. Marx never considered himself Jewish, nor was educated Jewish, so I think blaming Jews for him is gauche.
*You are wrong about one thing. It wasn’t European societies who determined that, it is Jewish law.
Dear pburgh,
There is a difference between those ‘who build walls with a spear in their hand’, and those who sat and bemoaned of what was, once the Assyrians came and did what they did.
I do agree with your assessment, which in the very recent past, were called “J.A.P.’s”, and i don’t mean Asians.
(In quoting Spaceballs ...:Funny, she doesn’t look Druish?!?”)
The 1948 vintage Israelis knew what was what, and who was who, and what was needed to do.
I salute your Father and relatives, who knew what ‘freedom’ really meant, and the price it just might demand of oneself.
(Class of SouthEast Asia, 1971 - 1974, U-Tapao RTNAF, 307th Bomb Wing.)
That is an interesting point. I just read a different explanation the other day. You might read this and tell me what you think of it. Here is an excerpt.
In this mentality, it’s always 1881 and we’re still in Russia. The Jews are cowering behind their doors in fear as the Cossacks rampage through the town, or Christian peasants with pitchforks and flaming brands march on the Jewish quarter.One side effect of this mentality: an unblinking vigilance, a hyper-sensitivity, towards the slightest tendency of the Gentile majority to drift Cossack-wards. This easily and often slops over into—and I am speaking of a subset of a subset of American Jews—into a generalized dislike, a prejudice, against white Christians.
Another side effect: the feeling that, for an oppressed minority—we’re still in 1881, remember: it’s always 1881—for an oppressed minority there is safety in courting and joining with other outsider groups for solidarity against the dangerous, dominant Goyim. The great dream of this mentality, in fact, is to get enough of a coalition of outsiders together to outnumber the Goyim, the white Christians. That’s why so many Jews are so passionately committed to mass Third World immigration.
I don't think "blame" is the correct term to apply. It has become apparent to me over the years that being Jewish often imparts high intelligence. Ashkenazi descended people are some of the most brilliant that the world has ever known.
The problem with Brilliance, especially as applies to comprehending social phenomena, appear to me to be two fold.
1. Sometimes there is a thin line between "Brilliant" and "Crazy".
2. Sometimes "Brilliant" people are not so smart as they think they are.
I think Karl Marx was a little of both. As a matter of fact, I see these two characteristics repeated over and over with a lot of our modern day "social engineers".
They are in over their head and don't realize it, and they dart back and forth over the line between reality and insanity.
Once again, by Jewish law, Marx was Jewish, but not in any other way. His parents took the step to convert, although they were never very religious, in either religion. Marx was not raised with the slightest bit of Jewish upbringing, and never considered himself a Jew.
Didn't the 20th century teach you anything about this kind of thinking? Marie Curie seemed brilliant to me, but maybe you think she was stupid because she was Polish?
Generally, right wing rallies experience violence when the Left decides to crash them and beat up attendees.
I must have made my point very unclear. I am not talking about how he was raised, i'm talking about how his natural and inherent talents may have manifested themselves.
People of Jewish descent are often extremely intelligent. Again, the problem with extremely intelligent people are two-fold.
1. A lot of smart people are often "too smart by half".
2. A lot of smart people go over the boundary into "crazy."
You can't "blame" anyone for Karl Marx being smart or crazy. It's just something that happens.
I don't even understand what you are trying to say here.
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