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Was NAFTA Really So Bad for the Economy? Will NAFTA Come Back to Haunt Hillary Clinton?
The Fiscal Times ^ | September 28, 2016 | Janna Herron

Posted on 09/30/2016 4:32:46 AM PDT by expat_panama

...Trump called the trade agreement between Canada, Mexico and the United States “the single worst trade deal ever approved in this country” during the first presidential debate against Hillary Clinton. Earlier this year, Bernie Sanders leveled a similar criticism, calling it disastrous when debating the former secretary of date...

...But whether NAFTA has been good or bad for the U.S. economy depends largely on who you ask...

...NAFTA “means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement,” then-President Clinton said in 1993.

Fast forward more than two decades later and NAFTA is rallying cry for those who believe free trade has done more for other countries than for American workers...

...Trump has promised to renegotiate NAFTA’s terms “to get a better deal for our workers,” according to his campaign site. If that doesn’t work, he vows to withdraw from the agreement altogether.

Clinton doesn’t address NAFTA specifically on her campaign site, but promises to “reject trade agreements that don’t meet “her high standard...

...According to one widely cited analysis, NAFTA has been a bad deal...

...The late ‘90s was a period of strong economic growth...

...if the U.S. economy did so well after NAFTA, is there any reason to think the trade agreement was harmful?...

...The report questioned whether the gains in trade under NAFTA were enough to offset the struggles of displaced workers and recommended that future agreements include stronger provisions to protect U.S. workers exposed to foreign competition.

But it may be too late for those Americans who have already lost their jobs to overseas competition and have been unable to enjoy the fruits of the larger and more efficient economy. Those workers are the ones who may use their votes this November as a referendum on free trade.

(Excerpt) Read more at thefiscaltimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alvintoffler; creativedestruction; economy; futureshock; industrialage; investing; knowledgeage; lenin; luddites; marx; reagan; revolutionaryuwealth; revolutionarywealth; ronaldreagan; tariffs; technology; toffler; trade
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To: God luvs America
...the dot_.com bubble, which eventually burst.

Yes, the dot com bubble did burst, but the tech revolution that powered it is still with us today and has transformed our economy into the powerhouse it is. Bubba had nothing to do with it. Reagan's tax cuts, military spending and massive deregulation in the 80's created the technology revolution of the 90's. He also created NAFTA. Best president since Lincoln!

21 posted on 09/30/2016 6:03:58 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: wastoute

And in the debate, Trump warned us about a “big fat ugly bubble” in relation to the stock market.


22 posted on 09/30/2016 6:05:40 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: VitacoreVision
How the Free Trade Agenda is knocking down America

Increased freedom is knocking down America? Good luck selling that to Americans that cherish their personal liberty. You're not one of those big government conservatives now, are you?

23 posted on 09/30/2016 6:07:13 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase
Free Trade = Government Managed Trade.

Trade Agreements Are Not Free Trade
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/13/trade-agreements-are-not-free-trade/
Mase: Increased freedom is knocking down America? Good luck selling that to Americans that cherish their personal liberty. You're not one of those big government conservatives now, are you?

24 posted on 09/30/2016 6:14:13 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: expat_panama

In the states that matter, NAFTA has been a disaster.... PA, OH, WI, MI, IA, MN and IL.... People who used to have good jobs with benefits now drive school buses making under 20k a year trying to support their family, or are stockers at Wal Mart for the same...

You can see the devastation across this region that free trade has wrought... Sure the suits in DC and NY have gotten fatter paychecks, but don’t think for one minute that NAFTA and WTO have been beneficial to the average American, particularly if they live and work in areas that were driven by Manufacturing.


25 posted on 09/30/2016 6:16:28 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: expat_panama
Since 2002 the USA has lost 12 million manufacturing jobs and over 55,000 factories have closed.

NAFTA was a SHAFTA...

Globalist are the new Communists.

26 posted on 09/30/2016 6:21:17 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: expat_panama
American workers need more protection from domestic regulations, and taxes than AND foreign competition... Fixed

Go ahead and vote for TPP Hillary you Globalist < expletive deleted >

27 posted on 09/30/2016 6:24:01 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mase
Increased freedom is knocking down America?

George Washington was a protectionist so was he anti freedom too? LOL.

Free Traders are what Karl Marx described as useful idiots. FR has a lot of them.

28 posted on 09/30/2016 6:26:28 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: VitacoreVision

We had “govt. managed trade” from 1789 to 1913. Worked out pretty good with no income tax then.


29 posted on 09/30/2016 6:27:42 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: HamiltonJay

It’s the business of every American what comes into the USA via ship, plane or mule. Whether living or cargo. We need to know what it is and control it.


30 posted on 09/30/2016 6:29:32 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: expat_panama

President Trump can cancel NAFTA, slash corporate taxes, and reduce regulations and corporations like Carrier will still send jobs to lower cost countries. Nor will it do anything to prevent IT jobs and accounting jobs and medical administration jobs from going overseas either. Companies will send work to the lowest cost suppliers.


31 posted on 09/30/2016 6:35:48 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: central_va
Did Bill Clinton become your hero when he signed in NAFTA?
central_va: We had “govt. managed trade” from 1789 to 1913. Worked out pretty good with no income tax then.

32 posted on 09/30/2016 6:37:02 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: WildHighlander57

I have been saying for months that the Fed will quit supporting the phony Zero Economy at the end. I would expect just what Trump is predicting.


33 posted on 09/30/2016 6:48:48 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: VitacoreVision
Now we have manged income tax - how wonderful.

At least with a tariff I don't have to tell the govt intimate details of my financial life. Go ahead defend the status quo and by default defend the progressive income tax. I expect nothing less from an anti American globalist.

34 posted on 09/30/2016 6:50:05 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: expat_panama

no sheet sherlock

it is only the fans that think they are rooting for something... go team go ... yea rah

its like rooting for IBM or Microsoft

hey if you enjoy it ... fine

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY ITS A BUSINESS FOCUSED ON THE BOTTOM LINE...
and for many its gambling and enjoying that more than the game itself or drinking to excess at the local bar....

hey if you got from 1 pm til near midnight on a sunday .... godbless

it is a multibilliondollar business that provdes competition and entertainment
modern day gladiators willing to take millions for their physical and mental well being ....
SHERMAN IS A BRIGHT GUY ..... HE JUST CAUGHT ON.... ???


35 posted on 09/30/2016 6:50:55 AM PDT by zzwhale (no way)
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To: DoodleDawg
President Trump can cancel NAFTA, slash corporate taxes, and reduce regulations and corporations like Carrier will still send jobs to lower cost countries. Nor will it do anything to prevent IT jobs and accounting jobs and medical administration jobs from going overseas either. Companies will send work to the lowest cost suppliers.

How is it that I am agreeing with you?

36 posted on 09/30/2016 6:51:13 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
I support tariffs. I don't support "Free Trade" agreements like NAFTA, TPP, TTIP, etc...
At least with a tariff I don't have to tell the govt ...

37 posted on 09/30/2016 6:52:48 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: zzwhale

sorry bout dat...
meant to be posted to the previous article

NAFTA ONLY BENEFITS BUSINESS / BUSINESS OWNERS
labor takes the shaft


38 posted on 09/30/2016 6:53:38 AM PDT by zzwhale (no way)
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To: WildHighlander57

Even the most dimwitted knows we can’t continue to let the gummint continue to overspend a TRILLION a year ( which, honestly, is what continuing resolutions are all about) AND have the Fed pump $85 Billion a month in ( which is going on OUR tab, by the way). The dullest knife in the drawer knows it has to end. What better way to close it down than to do it concurrently with the election so the Brown Shirt Media can blame it on Trump?


39 posted on 09/30/2016 6:54:26 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: zzwhale
A neat trick. Have what are sometimes suicidal third worlders make your low quality product in oft deplorable conditions then import it duty free back to the USA and sell it to hapless Americans at the exact same price as the higher quality US made product. Not rocket science.

Having so called "Conservative" cheerleaders providing political cover is priceless.

40 posted on 09/30/2016 6:59:37 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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