Posted on 09/29/2016 9:35:15 AM PDT by xzins
Yep...I remember. When I got home I put Fox News on and Brit Hume had his roundtable discussing what a terrible campaign Bush ran and giving all the reasons why he ‘lost’. Before ANY polls had closed anywhere.
Are you saying that they over sampled Democrats 752 to 570?
“It also reminds me when I read the NY Slimes or WaPo Compost was pushing a poll 10 days before the 1980 election showing Reagan down by 10%. LoL.”
“I, also, recall the headline in my local paper the Monday before election day 1980: “Carter Pulls Even With Reagan.”
Special Report
How Carter Beat Reagan
Washington Post admits polling was “in-kind contribution”; New York Times agenda polling.
By Jeffrey Lord – 9.25.12
Dick Morris is right.
Here’s something Dick Morris doesn’t mention. And he’s charitable.
Remember when Jimmy Carter beat Ronald Reagan in 1980?
That’s right. Jimmy Carter beat Ronald Reagan in 1980.
In a series of nine stories in 1980 on “Crucial States” — battleground states as they are known today — the New York Times repeatedly told readers then-President Carter was in a close and decidedly winnable race with the former California governor. And used polling data from the New York Times/CBS polls to back up its stories.
Four years later, it was the Washington Post that played the polling game — and when called out by Reagan campaign manager Ed Rollins a famous Post executive called his paper’s polling an “in-kind contribution to the Mondale campaign.” Mondale, of course, being then-President Reagan’s 1984 opponent and Carter’s vice president.
All of which will doubtless serve as a reminder of just how blatantly polling data is manipulated by liberal media — used essentially as a political weapon to support the liberal of the moment, whether Jimmy Carter in 1980, Walter Mondale in 1984 — or Barack Obama in 2012.
First the Times in 1980 and how it played the polling game.
The states involved, and the datelines for the stories:
· California — October 6, 1980
· Texas — October 8, 1980
· Pennsylvania — October 10, 1980
· Illinois — October 13, 1980
· Ohio — October 15, 1980
· New Jersey — October 16, 1980
· Florida — October 19, 1980
· New York — October 21, 1980
· Michigan — October 23, 1980
Of these nine only one was depicted as “likely” for Reagan: Reagan’s own California. A second — New Jersey — was presented as a state that “appears to support” Reagan.
The Times led their readers to believe that each of the remaining seven states were “close” — or the Times had Carter leading outright.
In every single case the Times was proven grossly wrong on election day. Reagan in fact carried every one of the nine states.
Here is how the Times played the game with the seven of the nine states in question.
• Texas: In a story datelined October 8 from Houston, the Times headlined:
Texas Looming as a Close Battle Between President and Reagan
The Reagan-Carter race in Texas, the paper claimed, had “suddenly tightened and now shapes up as a close, bruising battle to the finish.” The paper said “a New York Times/CBS News Poll, the second of seven in crucial big states, showing the Reagan-Carter race now a virtual dead heat despite a string of earlier polls on both sides that had shown the state leaning toward Mr. Reagan.”
The narrative? It was like the famous scene in the Wizard of Oz where Dorothy and her friends stare in astonishment as dog Toto pulls back the curtain in the wizard’s lair to reveal merely a man bellowing through a microphone. Causing the startled “wizard” caught in the act to frantically start yelling, “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!” In the case of the Times in its look at Texas in October of 1980 the paper dismissed “a string of earlier polls on both sides” that repeatedly showed Texas going for Reagan.
Instead, the Times presented this data:
A survey of 1,050 registered voters, weighted to form a probable electorate, gave Mr. Carter 40 percent support, Mr. Reagan 39 percent, John. B. Anderson, the independent candidate, 3 percent, and 18 percent were undecided. The survey, conducted by telephone from Oct. 1 to Oct. 6, has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.
In other words, the race in Texas is close, assures the Times, with Carter actually in the lead.
What happened? Reagan beat Carter by over 13 points. It wasn’t even close to close.
Can’t wait for the Ipso Facto Poll. Should be more accurate.
663 TO 897
Males to Females
42.5% to 57.5%
US Census says
48% to 52%
I understand the census percentages...but what is the usual percentage in US General Elections?
Sure about what?
I believe LS has posted it in the past as being parallel to the census data
Rest assured that it isn’t 42.5 to 57.5.
Of what you have posted?
Quote: “For this poll right here for internals.”
Can you find the internals for the polls conducted immediately before the debate?
That polls shape opinion instead of reflecting it? And that combined with the bogus fact check hoaxers, they have a stronghold on the propaganda in this country?
Yes!
I disagree bud... while your point about being more honest is certainly true, they can easily be manipulated - even more than scientific polls.... and not just landlines, - a mix of cell and landline
It is way more fun when Trump is leading a poll regardless of the reason.
The insanity is almost over, mercifully
“I do not remember, but I believe it has to do with their tendency to turn out, but I could be wrong.
yes, you are wrong
Wait, I get 39% Hillary and 36% Trump. Based on Democrats being 43% of voters, and Republicans 39% of voters. Did I miss something?
i just got an online poll from yougov and i am about to BURST!!!
it was about that new ####ing hillary commercial calling a woman a fat pig and then showing girls all depressed about being heavy.
if we lose this race, it will be the most blatant example of the media collusion and will be the start of a civil war
“There was no enthusiasm for Algore, and John FrankenKerry, and look how close those elections were.”
Wrong, on their worst days their crowds were 5x Hillary’s.
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