MH17 missile 'came from Russia', Dutch-led investigators say

bbc.com ^ | 28 September 2016 | BBC

[Berlin_Freeper]

International prosecutors say Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was downed over eastern Ukraine in 2014 by a Buk missile that had come from Russia.

They also narrowed down the area it was fired from to a field in territory controlled by Russian-backed rebels.

All 298 people on board the Boeing 777 died when it broke apart in mid-air flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

[Berlin_Freeper]

Malaysian PM calls for firm action against perpetrators in MH17 downing
Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak has called for firm action against the perpetrators in the downing of flight MH17, saying "we have promised that those who were responsible will be brought to justice."

"We must see to it that those responsible are punished," he said.

[Berlin_Freeper]

Relatives satisfied with MH17 conclusions

“We knew already, of course. It would be foolish to deny it. Now it is confirmed that the Russians are behind it, while they’ve denied it the whole time.”

[InABunkerUnderSF]

One way to gauge the truth of a media account about Russia is to observe the Borsct Brigade’s reaction to it on FR. Bonus points if Soros is mentioned.

Was that a veiled reference to госпо̀дин красный волк?

You have to wonder where some people's IP addresses resolve to.

[1rudeboy]

That’s why there’s no point to banning them. They have multiple accounts (it’s fun to watch the newbs show up), or they simply re-register. As if they are internet locusts. And it’s even funnier to watch them when their talking-points break down, and they choose to tough it out. Sometimes, the Kremlin changes the talking points on the fly, and they are left twisting in the wind. Life is not fair that way, especially when you are stuck in a Soviet-era apartment, and need the rubles.

[Bulwyf]

UN is an evil organization.

Russia should be held accountable, but I don’t think anyone here wants to see UN have any relevancy.

[ETL]

Documents Show How Russia's Troll Army Hit America:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/documents-show-how-russias-troll-army-hit-america
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Kremlin pays internet trolls to flatter Putin
Ben Hoyle - Moscow
October 11 2013

Russian investigative journalists and bloggers have uncovered an army of internet trolls paid to pour invective on the Kremlin's opponents and heap praise on President Putin.

Posing as job applicants, the reporters discovered the government hacks working at a small company called the St Petersburg Internet Research Agency. ..."

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia/article3891720.ece
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Russian Propaganda Is Taking Over Online Comment Boards

Pamela Engel
May 4, 2014

British newspaper The Guardian notes that recently, readers have been complaining of pro-Russia propaganda being posted in the comments section of articles about Russia and Ukraine.

One reader wrote to The Guardian:

"One need only pick a Ukraine article at random, pick any point in the comments at random, and they will find themselves in a sea of incredibly aggressive and hostile users (the most obvious have accounts created since February 2014 ... but there also exist those who registered with the Guardian before the high point of the crisis) who post the most biased, inciteful [sic] pro-Kremlin, anti-western propaganda that seems as if it's taken from a template, so repetitive are the statements. Furthermore, these comments are consistently capturing inordinate numbers of 'recommends', sometimes on the order of 10 to 12 times what pro-Ukrainian comments receive."

Guardian comment moderators believe this is an orchestrated campaign.

Russia has worked hard to make people believe that the country is supporting the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine and defending those people against some type of threat. These "comment mills" play into that strategy.

Last year, The Atlantic wrote about how the Russian government apparently pays people to "sit in a room, surf the Internet, and leave sometimes hundreds of postings a day that criticize the country's opposition and promote Kremlin-backed policymakers."

This practice isn't new, according to The Atlantic. But it can stifle open discussion about political issues in Russia, giving a louder voice to those who support the Kremlin.

http://www.businessinsider.com/putin-paying-people-to-post-pro-russia-propaganda-in-comments-2014-5

[ETL]

Russian jets speed past US Navy destroyer in ‘simulated attack profile,’ official says

By Lucas Tomlinson
Published April 14, 2016
FoxNews.com

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/04/14/russian-jets-speed-past-us-navy-destroyer-in-simulated-attack-profile-official-says.html?intcmp=hplnws

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Sept 7, 2016...

Russian jet flies within 10 feet of US Navy spy plane, defense official says

Fox News ^ | September 7, 2016 | Staff

A Russian fighter jet zoomed within just 10 feet of a U.S. Navy spy plane over the Black Sea on Wednesday, the latest in a string of daring maneuvers involving Russian aircraft and the U.S. military, a defense official with knowledge of the incident told Fox News...."

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/09/07/russian-jet-flies-dangerously-close-to-us-navy-spy-plane-over-black-sea.html

[ETL]

Mr Putin, what do you think of your "useful idiot"
supporters on Free Republic?

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Useful idiots

Thomas Sowell
May 20, 2003

"The term 'useful idiots' has been attributed to Lenin, as a description of those mindless people in the Western democracies who would always find ways to excuse whatever the Soviet Union did. Columnist Mona Charen's new book Useful Idiots shows that such people are still with us.

Long after the Soviet Union's horrors had become too widely known around the world for their sympathizers in the West to be able to get away with whitewashing the USSR, new Communist dictatorships arose to become the new objects of the affections of the Western intelligentsia and of like-minded people in the media and in politics. ..."

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2003/05/20/useful_idiots

[ETL]

How Russia arms America's southern neighbors

Ioan Grillo
May 9, 2014

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil -- Russia's push into Ukraine has put many on edge. But less known is that Russia is also strengthening its military links south of the Rio Grande and re-establishing itself as a power in the region.

Vladimir Putin has been strengthening military links here, and Russia is now the largest arms dealer to governments in Latin America, surpassing the United States.

Russia has even floated the possibility of building new military bases in Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua, and putting its warships permanently in the Caribbean.

In the midst of the Ukraine crisis, Russia's top diplomat Sergei Lavrov recently visited Cuba, Peru, Chile, and Nicaragua, where he announced that Russia would also pour money into the new Central American canal project. ..."

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/140508/russian-arms-military-trade-latin-america
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Russia Boosts Arms, Training for Leftist Latin Militaries

Moscow defense minister inks deals with Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua for joint exercises

BY: Bill Gertz
February 20, 2015

Russia agreed to provide military training for three leftist regimes in Latin America and increase military visits and exercises following a visit last week to the region by Moscow's Defense Minister Sergei Shoygu, Pentagon officials said.

Shoygu met with defense and military leaders in Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua and signed several agreements on warship visits and military training during the visit, which ran from Feb. 11 to 14. It is not clear whether any new arms deals were completed during the visit.

Defense officials said the Russian leader is seeking bases in the region for strategic bomber flights that Shoygu recently promised would include flights over the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-boosts-arms-training-for-leftist-latin-militaries/

[ETL]

"Romanian intelligence defector Ion Mihai Pacepa alleged that an operation for the removal of chemical weapons was prepared by the Soviet Union for Libya, and that he was told over thirty years ago by Romanian President Nicolae Ceausescu, KGB chairman Yury Andropov, and later, Yevgeny Primakov, about the existence of a similar plan for Iraq.

It is 'perfectly obvious', wrote Pacepa, that the Russian GRU agency helped Saddam Hussein to destroy, hide, or transfer his chemical weapons prior to the American invasion of Iraq in 2003. 'After all, Russia helped Saddam get his hands on them in the first place.'[13]

John Loftus, director of The Intelligence Summit, said in the November 16, 2007 issue of FrontPage Magazine that many documents from Iraq point to WMD being transferred to other countries such as Syria: 'As stated in more detail in my full report, the British, Ukrainian and American secret services all believed that the Russians had organized a last minute evacuation of CW [chemical] and BW [biological] stockpiles from Baghdad to Syria.'

His researchers allegedly found a document ordering the concealment of nuclear weapons equipment in storage facilities under the Euphrates River a few weeks before the invasion.[14]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMD_conjecture_in_the_aftermath_of_the_2003_invasion_of_Iraq#Alleged_Russian_involvement
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[13] http://web.archive.org/web/20110712102918/http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/aug/20/20030820-081256-6822r/

[14] http://web.archive.org/web/20110810213451/http://archive.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=F715A709-2614-4EA5-967C-F6151F94A364

[ETL]

UN is an evil organization. Russia should be held accountable, but I don’t think anyone here wants to see UN have any relevancy.

Formation of the United Nations:

" Alger Hiss (November 11, 1904 - November 15, 1996) was an American lawyer, government official, author, and lecturer. He was involved in the establishment of the United Nations both as a U.S. State Department and U.N. official. Hiss was accused of being a Soviet spy in 1948 and convicted of perjury in connection with this charge in 1950.

On August 3, 1948, Whittaker Chambers, a former Communist Party member, testified under subpoena before the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC) that Hiss had secretly been a Communist while in federal service. Chambers had previously testified under oath that Hiss had never been a Communist or a spy, and Chambers would admit, under oath, to other instances where he had committed perjury under oath. Called before HUAC, Hiss categorically denied the charge. When Chambers repeated his claim on nationwide radio, Hiss filed a defamation lawsuit against him.

During the pretrial discovery process, Chambers produced new evidence indicating that he and Hiss had been involved in espionage, which both men had previously denied under oath to HUAC.

A federal grand jury indicted Hiss on two counts of perjury; Chambers admitted to the same offense but, as a cooperating government witness, was never charged.

Although Hiss's indictment stemmed from the alleged espionage, he could not be tried for that crime because the statute of limitations had expired."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiss_Case

[DAC21]

" Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was downed over eastern Ukraine in 2014 by a Buk missile that had come from Russia"

[Travis McGee]

The airline needs to share the blame. They flew right over an active battle area where AA missiles were routinely being fired. If any airliner flew over Aleppo, Syria today, and was shot down, they would have to share the blame. Ditto this case.

[Travis McGee]

Question: is this a civilian passenger plane or a military aircraft?

What do you think it looks like ten miles out, on radar, over a battlefield?

Answer: it's a brand new US Navy Poseidon P-8 reconnaissance aircraft, a military 737.

Then I do recall the USN Vincennes blowing an Iranian passenger jet out of the sky over international waters.

The point being, any airline that flies a jet over an active modern battlefield (Ukraine, Syria etc) must share the blame if it is shot down by a radar-directed missile.

[Travis McGee]

Malaysian PM calls for firm action against perpetrators in MH17 downing
Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak has called for firm action against the perpetrators in the downing of flight MH17, saying “we have promised that those who were responsible will be brought to justice.”
“We must see to it that those responsible are punished,” he said.

(So, he is arresting his airline execs for sending the aircraft over an active battlefield?)

[trebb]

Could as easily been arms from us that got into the wrong hands - by design......

[Berlin_Freeper]

The problem you have with this and the Iranian thing is that America did warn Iran and the airplane while Putin put out no warning that he invaded Ukraine with dangerous weapons.

[Berlin_Freeper]

Yeah, could as easily been from Mickey Mouse too.

[trebb]

Yeah, could as easily been from Mickey Mouse too.

Perhaps - point is that Hillary was using Libya to run arms and nobody knows for sure how many arms Obama INC has put into the hands of terrorists - even the gunrunning deal has caused damage with weapons we allowed into Mexico.

I understand that Russia was the likely source but we have made sure that a lot of weapons/money supplied to terrorist regimes has become very hard to trace.

[Krosan]

Sad to see he seems to be getting away with it. When he first appeared in TV right after they shot it down he was sweating and I believe really thought that now he has crossed the line and then nothing serious was done about it.