Joe Scarborough and Chuck Todd were calling it a draw, saying both did badly. Chuck claimed Trump said 8 shocking things in 24 minutes.
Chuck should now begin to believe in miracles. To be shocked so many times, turn and walk away without succumbing to death is indeed his blessing.
If those two called it a draw, Trump won.
Also, a weird underlying admission that the people are uninformed, and that's just fine, because journos like him made them so; they believe what he tells them to believe. Apparently Matt Lauer didn't control the information properly.
Elitist scum