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To: Jack Hydrazine; HiTech RedNeck
A few random thoughts:

1. A post Biblical “prophecy” by a Rabbi is nice, but ll the prophecies needed to explain what is going on here are already in the Word; the Word which IS God and the Word “which was made Flesh and dwelt among us” (Christ).

2. Christianity IS Jewish

3. There is no way to take back the Holy Spirit being freely given At Pentecost to all who ask Him and stuff it back into a physical place in the Holiest of Holies...

... so anyone attempting to redo archaic ritual is plum-out-of-luck, because God has moved on!

4. The 6 inch thick “laminated” linen curtain that was like 10 or 12 feet tall, and protected the Holiest of Holies in the Temple? It was already torn supernaturally when Jesus was on the Cross. God did that to let the Sadducees and Pharisees know that His Spirit was GONE and the New Covenant, that all of the Old Covenant Prophets foresaw — was now coming into being.

IOW, and again, there is just no way to stuff God's Holy Spirit back into a physical place in the Temple.

Though Satan, as it says in the Word, will perform great miracles in and around the old Temple and Jerusalem to deceive “even the elect” if possible as the promised “Great Delusion”will delude most people... this is the great Delusion that God will send on those who “no longer love the truth”

52 posted on 09/04/2016 10:05:56 AM PDT by Sontagged (Woe to you when all men shall speak well of you...)
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To: Sontagged

Some Christian readings, at least, of O.T. prophecy (independent of the rabbinical takes) expect physical, even though still symbolic, sacrifices to be going on in the future, to mark the salvific sacrificial work of Jesus, pointing backward to it rather than forward.

It’s in this context that I would expect temple activity “would” occur.

Also according to such readings, Jewish and Christian practice will eventually merge. The two independent threads will rejoin.


53 posted on 09/04/2016 10:18:04 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Sontagged

1. How did this rabbi know that the Turks would occupy Jerusalem for 400 years which did occur from 1517 to 1917? What you say about the Torah is based on Christianity, not Judaism.

How does Christianity reconcile these passages from the Tanach with how Jews define who God is - a Spirit, non-corporeal?

Numbers 23:19
“God is not a man that He should lie, nor is He a mortal that He should relent. Would He say and not do, speak and not fulfill?”

1 Samuel 15:29
“And also, the Strength of Israel will neither lie nor repent, for He is not a man to repent.”

1 Kings 8:27
“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You; much less this temple that I have erected.”

Isaiah 57:15
“For so said the High and Exalted One, Who dwells to eternity, and His name is Holy, “With the lofty and the holy ones I dwell, and with the crushed and humble in spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble and to revive the heart of the crushed.”

And even from the Christians replacement Torah (the New Testament) you have this verse which defines who God is.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

2. Christianity is a religion that syncretized Western paganism and Judaism.

3. Not sure what you mean putting God back in a physical place. He is not limited by time nor space since He isn’t physical so everyone still has access to Him no matter what before or after Pentecost. God moved on? So what you are saying is that He changes His mind and is capricious in nature? His laws and rules aren’t the same and change constantly? What about your replacement Torah in Hebrews 13:8 which says, “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.”

4. I’ll let you in on a little secret about the Holy of Holies. The Spirit of God did not dwell there in the 2nd Temple period, but only during the first. Go back and read Ezra 3:12 which says, “But many of the older priests and Levites and family heads, who had seen the former temple, wept aloud when they saw the foundation of this temple being laid, while many others shouted for joy.” Why did they cry? Because during the first Temple period God’s presence was palpable and the miracles were open and easy to see. During the second Temple that was gone.

On this webpage http://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48938582.html it talks about the 2nd Temple saying

“The intense spiritually of the First Temple cannot be compared to the Second. The constant open miracles are gone. Prophecy will also disappear during the early years of the second Temple. The Ark of the Covenant is gone; and although there is a Holy of Holies, it stands empty.”

The only sacrifice that will be given at the Third Temple will be the grain offering. Read Malachi 3:4 “Then the grain-offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to God as in the days of old and as in former years”

How the 3rd Temple will be built and by whom and when it will happen is speculation, but the Prophet Ezekiel in chapters 40 through 42 that God has promised it will be. And when it is built the Spirit of God will shine even greater than in the first Temple. The Jewish holidays will still be around and celebrated.


58 posted on 09/04/2016 11:22:32 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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