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To: Sontagged

1. How did this rabbi know that the Turks would occupy Jerusalem for 400 years which did occur from 1517 to 1917? What you say about the Torah is based on Christianity, not Judaism.

How does Christianity reconcile these passages from the Tanach with how Jews define who God is - a Spirit, non-corporeal?

Numbers 23:19
“God is not a man that He should lie, nor is He a mortal that He should relent. Would He say and not do, speak and not fulfill?”

1 Samuel 15:29
“And also, the Strength of Israel will neither lie nor repent, for He is not a man to repent.”

1 Kings 8:27
“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You; much less this temple that I have erected.”

Isaiah 57:15
“For so said the High and Exalted One, Who dwells to eternity, and His name is Holy, “With the lofty and the holy ones I dwell, and with the crushed and humble in spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble and to revive the heart of the crushed.”

And even from the Christians replacement Torah (the New Testament) you have this verse which defines who God is.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

2. Christianity is a religion that syncretized Western paganism and Judaism.

3. Not sure what you mean putting God back in a physical place. He is not limited by time nor space since He isn’t physical so everyone still has access to Him no matter what before or after Pentecost. God moved on? So what you are saying is that He changes His mind and is capricious in nature? His laws and rules aren’t the same and change constantly? What about your replacement Torah in Hebrews 13:8 which says, “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.”

4. I’ll let you in on a little secret about the Holy of Holies. The Spirit of God did not dwell there in the 2nd Temple period, but only during the first. Go back and read Ezra 3:12 which says, “But many of the older priests and Levites and family heads, who had seen the former temple, wept aloud when they saw the foundation of this temple being laid, while many others shouted for joy.” Why did they cry? Because during the first Temple period God’s presence was palpable and the miracles were open and easy to see. During the second Temple that was gone.

On this webpage http://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48938582.html it talks about the 2nd Temple saying

“The intense spiritually of the First Temple cannot be compared to the Second. The constant open miracles are gone. Prophecy will also disappear during the early years of the second Temple. The Ark of the Covenant is gone; and although there is a Holy of Holies, it stands empty.”

The only sacrifice that will be given at the Third Temple will be the grain offering. Read Malachi 3:4 “Then the grain-offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to God as in the days of old and as in former years”

How the 3rd Temple will be built and by whom and when it will happen is speculation, but the Prophet Ezekiel in chapters 40 through 42 that God has promised it will be. And when it is built the Spirit of God will shine even greater than in the first Temple. The Jewish holidays will still be around and celebrated.


58 posted on 09/04/2016 11:22:32 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

You forget this saying “Jesus is prophesied in the Hebrew scriptures and revealed in the Christian scriptures.”


62 posted on 09/04/2016 12:39:22 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
The book of Daniel contains most everything that John the Revelator saw about the “latter days” — as the prophet Joel describes our time frame now — including the little horn as Antichrist.

This is because God always confirms His Word; He cannot contract Himself.

You need to put your Rabbi's prophecy to the test of the Scriptures. There are a plethora of tests — including a test where God says that “even if the prophetic word comes true” then you are to determine if this man prophecies by a familiar spirit or from God by ascertaining how this person lives his life and if he wants you to worship in non proscribed ways, outside the purview of the living God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob:

Punishment of Apostates

Deuteronomy 13 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.”

That's just one test of scripture for your rabbi's prophecy. There are other ones, and they are very deep and interesting... such as the one where God warns against false prophets who steal the words of His real prophets... it's a fascinating thing to see how God is concerned with even your extra Biblical rabbi's prophecy.

God cannot contradict His word, and this is a test for all prophecies given since the canon of scripture was sealed.

Extra-biblical texts or prophecies outside the OT canon are also forbidden by Solomon, it is not just a “Christian” concept:

Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.

Your mentioning of all the OT scriptures about how God is a spirit and “not a man” belies the entirety of the Messianic scriptures in the OT.

The Messiah is God incarnate; and this is why our discussion is so important today.

Jews who do not read or understand the OT scriptures — will most likely be deceived by the Anti Christ or “Counterfeit Christ” into thinking that just because there are supernatural miracles, then this must be God, this must be the Messiah we were promised.

Moses, King Saul and many many others in the OT showed that there are TWO sources of supernatural miracles: God and His created being, Satan.

Our secular world denies God and therefore all supernatural occurrences; this is the trick that can and will be used by Satan when he is set loose to delude the whole world.

Finally, those aged priests and Levites who were crying at the sight of newly laid foundation of the 2nd Temple in Ezra 3 were publicly wailing because they'd seen the glory of the Temple and knew their appointed positions within it — and so this is a lament of repentance, of loss, of sorrow that this is where they have ended up. With just a foundation laid amidst the rubble of the city walls, the Temple itself was yet to be rebuilt when they cried out. Because of who they were, their wailing had to be a lament of their own personal sin and their lack of fidelity to the living God that contributed to this ruinous state of affairs for the nation.

Their spiritual ruin was reflected in the ruin of the 1st Temple and the rubble in which it was being rebuilt. I would wail loudly, too.

And then, since the veil over the Holiest of Holies was anywhere from 6 inches to THREE FEET in thickness, every priest there at the time of Christ's death on the cross who saw it tear in half supernaturally — they knew that God's spirit was still in that place.

Not sure what you are trying to say about God's spirit not being in the Holiest of Holies, in a physical place. But thanks for the interesting discussion.

66 posted on 09/04/2016 3:05:43 PM PDT by Sontagged (Woe to you when all men shall speak well of you...)
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