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Elderly Florida Man Shoots Fleeing Thief And May Have Ruined His Own Life
bearingarms.com ^ | 8/22/2016 | Bob Owens

Posted on 08/23/2016 9:24:46 AM PDT by rktman

The homeowner asked the suspect what he was doing and then the suspect ran across the street, officials said.

The homeowner opened fire and shot the suspect several times, Kvalheim said, adding the injuries appeared non-life threatening.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2a; badchoice; banglist; fl; florida
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To: Little Ray

In some states maybe but in some states it would be permissible if he was fleeing with property.


41 posted on 08/23/2016 10:12:49 AM PDT by eastforker (The only time you can be satisfied is when your all Trump.)
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To: eastforker

If you don’t know the state laws, the default should be that they won’t let you shoot the perp to recover your property.


42 posted on 08/23/2016 10:18:27 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: rktman

Article writer is spot on.

“Our firearms are for self-defense when lives are on the line, folks. Keep in mind that every bullet fired at another human being is likely to carry a cost with it in terms of time, money, and personal anguish. Never fire a shot unless you absolutely must to save lives.”

Also add:

“Every single bullet has a lawsuit attached to it”

Marty Hayes, J.D.

http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/index.php/january-2015-network-journal/321-president-s-message


43 posted on 08/23/2016 10:18:44 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Little Ray

Yes I agree, all gun owners should know the laws of his/her state without any doubt.


44 posted on 08/23/2016 10:22:46 AM PDT by eastforker (The only time you can be satisfied is when your all Trump.)
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To: T-Bone Texan

Well, Texas is special.

The Common Law of Texas (to the tune of The Yellow Rose of Texas)

They buy their bourbon by the case, and never shun the cup,
They ride around in Cadillacs, and smash each other up;
And when they litigate the case, it’s the weirdest ever seen,
Because the poor benighted courts try to follow Leon Green.

It’s the damnedest jurisdiction
This country ever saw,
It has the queerest people,
The most peculiar law.
They have some nuts in Ioway,
And some in Tennessee,
But the common law of Texas is
A thing of mysteree.

They enter into arguments, and then they have a fight,
They call each other dirty names, and brood on it all night,
They lie in wait for sixteen hours behind an old rail fence,
And shoot the fellow in the back, but it’s all in self-defense.

It’s the damnedest jurisdiction
This country ever knew,
And all its jurisprudence
Is twisted like a screw.
Connecticut’s a crazy place,
And so is Arkansaw,
But Texas has, of all the states,
The most peculiar law.

They raise an oil well derrick in the city hall front yard,
And when the damn thing blows to hell they take it mighty hard.
Petroleum and rocks and mud are strewn all o’er the sod,
It makes a most unsightly mess, but it’s just an act of God.

It’s the damnedest jurisdiction
This country ever had,
It has ten thousand cases,
And all of them are bad.
Oh, Minnesota’s off the beam,
And so is Idaho,
But Texas has the wildest law
Upon this earth below.

A widow seeks indemnity upon a policee,
And she recovers double, with her attorney’s fee,
For when she loaded arsenic into her husband’s beans,
The late lamented met his death by accidental means.

It’s the damnedest jurisdiction
There is from coast to coast,
There’s crazy law all over,
But Texas has the most.
They’ve lunatics in Michigan,
Also in Delaware,
But the common law of Texas
Will really curl your hair.

A loyal son of Texas goes out upon a spree,
And perpetrates six murders, some rape and burglaree;
He ends upon the gallows-it’s a proper end, of courseBut
the reason that they hang him is, the bastard stole a horse.

It’s the damnedest jurisdiction
In the entire U.S.A.,
And what will happen next there
No man alive can say.
They do strange things in Maryland,
Likewise in Oregon,
But Texas has the wildest law
That e’re the sun shone on.

They ask the jury questions, which may number twenty score,
Instructions that they give them take seven days or more,
And when the case comes on appeal the record grows and grows,
And what the last opinion holds, alas, God only knows.

It’s the damnedest jurisdiction
Upon this planet sad,
Its whole judicial process
Is absolutely mad.
There’s schizophrenia in New York,
Also in Illinois,
But the common law of Texas is
A psychiatric joy.


45 posted on 08/23/2016 10:29:49 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: rktman

Yep...I took the same course in FL, and once the guy flees, it is no longer considered “self-defense”.


46 posted on 08/23/2016 10:43:00 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: rktman

He should have fired his shotgun through the front door like the Vice President told us to do! < / sarcasm off >


47 posted on 08/23/2016 10:46:06 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Trump is to the political class what Uber is to taxicab companies)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Nietzsche was (perhaps unfortunately) a smarter fellow than people give him credit for.

Kind of like Machiavelli in some ways.


48 posted on 08/23/2016 10:48:48 AM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: BlueStateRightist

What Body?


49 posted on 08/23/2016 10:54:48 AM PDT by WhirlwindAttack ( Paging Claire Wolf to the white courtesy phone: "It's Time".)
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To: rktman

That is exactly what got Michael Dunn convicted in Jacksonville in 2014. He emptied his gun into a fleeing car.


50 posted on 08/23/2016 10:57:48 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Those are my principles, and if you do not like them...well I have others. - Groucho Marx)
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To: Jim 0216

Yea, when someone is fleeing and presenting no direct threat to you, its not justifiable to shoot them, at least not in most states that I know of... Now if he was fleeing and shooting back at you, feel free to unload the clip into his torso.


51 posted on 08/23/2016 11:01:03 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: BlueStateRightist

“I was taught by a retired cop that if you shoot someone on your lawn or doorstep be sure to drag the body into the house.”

A surefire way to increase your prison sentence by 15 years.


52 posted on 08/23/2016 11:03:28 AM PDT by sagar
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To: Kommodor

Unfortunately he went overboard with his attack upon Christianity. However, I consider him one of the greatest historical and social commentators of the 19th century to date.


53 posted on 08/23/2016 11:05:27 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: WhirlwindAttack

“What Body?”

Best. Advice. Ever.


54 posted on 08/23/2016 11:05:31 AM PDT by sagar
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To: BlueStateRightist

Uh. that may have worked back in the day before Fluorescein.


55 posted on 08/23/2016 11:07:46 AM PDT by freedomlover
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To: left that other site

In Florida and I don’t want to risk it now where I am. Juries are too flakey.


56 posted on 08/23/2016 11:10:23 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Jim 0216

The moral of the article is that if you’re going to shoot a perp, better kill him and if he didn’t have something that could be construed as a weapon, give him one.


57 posted on 08/23/2016 11:56:08 AM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: rktman

1. This sounds like a bad shoot unless the perp had a firearm.

2. Shooter is very lucky the perp survived, downside will be a likely civil suit.

3. Shooter will probably achieve plea bargain and probation.

4. Shooter is a darn good shot, hit perp multiple times with a pistol from “across the street” which means probably 50-60 feet, and in a tense situation. That’s not easy, ask a cop.


58 posted on 08/23/2016 12:02:48 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Ride To The Sound Of The Guns.)
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To: freedomlover

“Uh. that may have worked back in the day before Fluorescein.”

Lol. The cop that gave the advice was from Texas. Does that change the equation?


59 posted on 08/23/2016 12:04:29 PM PDT by BlueStateRightist (Government is best which governs least.)
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To: Doc91678

That’s a prescription for going to jail for life. Forensics will take you down easily. That crap hasn’t worked since the ‘50’s.


60 posted on 08/23/2016 12:05:04 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Ride To The Sound Of The Guns.)
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