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Lewandowski raises question of Obama's birthplace
The Hill ^ | 8/3/2016 | Jesse Byrnes

Posted on 08/03/2016 7:12:27 PM PDT by Elderberry

Donald Trump's former campaign manager on Tuesday suggested President Obama concealed his birthplace by not releasing his college transcripts.

Corey Lewandowski, now a CNN contributor, remarked on the issue during a panel discussion on the network about Obama's criticism of Trump, the Republican presidential nominee.

"The question was, did he get in as a U.S. citizen or was he brought into Harvard University as a citizen who wasn't from this country? I don't know the answer," he said.

Lewandowski said earlier that Obama was "fair game" for attacks if he continued to rip Trump.

Political commentator Angela Rye interjected that Trump "has been attacking the president long before he began campaigning."

"He is the one who was the spokesperson for the birther movement and was calling for transcripts and saying that the president was an Affirmative Action admittee of Harvard," she said.

"Did he ever release his transcripts?" Lewandowski shot back. "Or his admission to Harvard University? ... The answer is no."

The White House released Obama's long-form birth certificate in 2011 after pressure and accusations by Trump.

Lewandowski later said he wasn't questioning whether Obama was from the U.S.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaedarico; birther; birthers; certifigate; clintonrico; comeyrico; indonesiarico; islamrico; lewandowski; moslembrotherhood; naturalborncitizen; obamarico; treasonrico; trump
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Comment #261 Removed by Moderator

To: Tau Food
If I had to guess, based upon what ROCKLOBSTER is telling us, I would say that Obama was most probably born somewhere at or near the following address: 500 block of Kenya Street Cedar Hill, TX 75104

And I would say, based on his actions, and what Obama is telling us, between Kenya, Indonesia and Hawaii, that he's never been an American a day in his life.

262 posted on 09/15/2016 7:23:30 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, RINOs......same thing.)
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To: Will J Diamond

Bol! You joined TODAY??? You’ve made exactly one post?!? I’m honored to have smoked another Obot out of hiding! Tell me, please, who were you before you were zotted? Also, how many times have you retreaded? This will be interesting!


263 posted on 09/15/2016 7:47:36 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Will J Diamond

‘birther silliness’

Oh goodness, yes! Anything that questions the Great Obama’s truthfulness is ‘birther silliness,’ isn’t it O Alinskyite-Obot? Mustn’t question the Won! Tell me, are there *any* lies in Dreams from My Father, or is it all true? Are you aware of ANY lies Obama has told, or is he the embodiment of integrity?

Can’t wait to hear you opine!


264 posted on 09/15/2016 7:55:01 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Tau Food

Some questions about Diamond.

How did a brand new sign-up find this thread? It’s not displayed on the sidebar.

What are the odds that a brand new sign-up would just happen to be an Obot, and would just happen to post his/her one and only comment right after you argued yourself into a corner, and have nothing more to plausibly say? What. Are. The. Odds.

To be continued...


265 posted on 09/16/2016 6:35:25 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Tau Food

Part Two:

What are the odds that you and Diamond would misunderstand my posts ***in exactly the same way***? You both completely misrepresented what I said, and you did it in IDENTICAL ways.

It’s interesting that both you and our newest one hit wonder quit posting as soon as you’re confronted with questions you wish to evade. In your case, you boycott till you’re ready to change the subject. I’d be surprised to hear again from our newest Obot.

What a lot of coincidences! I wonder what it all means?


266 posted on 09/16/2016 6:51:24 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

Please don’t feel crushed by what Trump said about Obama’s birth. As I’ve said, it doesn’t matter anymore, anyway. History has an answer.


267 posted on 09/16/2016 8:45:00 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food

The only people who are happy with the MSM’s pro-Hillary maneuvers are liberals.

Coincidentally, it’s also liberals who look to the courts for truth. If the courts say Obama is legit—truth. Courts say a mother can have a healthy, full-term baby tortured to death—truth. Courts say two men can consummate a marriage—truth.

If it walks like a liberal, talks like a liberal, etc.


268 posted on 09/16/2016 8:55:46 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Will J Diamond

Omc—a real, bona-fide, certified, full-on Obot! Haven’t seen one of them around in a while!

Tell me, Obot, what about Barack Jr do you love the most? His foreign, radical, anti-American mindset? His brilliant, 57 (actually 59) state, “I was born in Asia,” intellect, or his earnest, psychotic claim to have authored Dreams from My Father himself?

Just give me time, first, to pop the popcorn.


271 posted on 09/16/2016 12:51:35 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Will J Diamond

Oh, and how DID you manage to find a thread, for your very first post, that doesn’t show up on the sidebar? This is a conservative site in the midst of a crucial election. The average new sign-up joins for the election-discussions. You’re here to support Obama. How’d that come about, exactly?


272 posted on 09/16/2016 12:55:01 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Tau Food

Your alter-ego is as good at evading questions as you are.


273 posted on 09/16/2016 1:08:15 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Will J Diamond

How did a BRAND NEW SIGN-UP find a thread that doesn’t appear on the sidebar?

Maybe you’d better go and preach your message of Obama’s legitimacy on a current thread. There’s one started by the owner of the site, re the FACT that Obama claimed to be born in Kenya. Take your newbie Obama advocacy to that thread...right after you explain how you found this one.


275 posted on 09/16/2016 3:05:24 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Will J Diamond

Btw, this isn’t my first rodeo. I’ve spent years arguing with Obots. On average, they’re the single most slow-witted, by-rote group of individuals I’ve ever encountered.

If there were one intelligent Obot, after nearly 8 yrs of Obama, he/she would be the one condemning Obama’s pathological lies. No intelligent person can tolerate YEARS of shifty, self serving lies and still support the liar. It takes a unique person to continue to defend a politician as dishonest as Obama.

I.e.: a person wholly lacking in critical rational thinking skills.


277 posted on 09/16/2016 3:24:18 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Will J Diamond

No evidence that a stupid person can grasp, no.

But you can take your Obotism to the following thread, and explain to the site owner that Obama had no input into or knowledge of either his bio, or the book he accepted two large monetary advances to write:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3470149/posts?page=40


278 posted on 09/16/2016 3:29:01 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Elderberry

Note the reference to Natural Law in the first sentence of our Declaration of Independence.

It is crystal clear that the Founding Fathers used the Natural Law definition of 'natural born Citizen' when they wrote Article II. By invoking "The Laws of Nature and Nature's God" the 56 signers of the Declaration incorporated a legal standard of freedom into the forms of government that would follow.

President John Quincy Adams, writing in 1839, looked back at the founding period and recognized the true meaning of the Declaration's reliance on the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." He observed that the American people's "charter was the Declaration of Independence. Their rights, the natural rights of mankind. Their government, such as should be instituted by the people, under the solemn mutual pledges of perpetual union, founded on the self-evident truth's proclaimed in the Declaration."

The Constitution, Vattel, and “Natural Born Citizen”: What Our Framers Knew

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

MINOR V. HAPPERSETT IS BINDING PRECEDENT AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Neither the 14th Amendment nor Wong Kim Ark make one a Natural Born Citizen

The Harvard Law Review Article Taken Apart Piece by Piece and Utterly Destroyed

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 - Use of The Law of Nations by the Constitutional Convention

The Biggest Cover-up in American History

Supreme Court cases that cite “natural born Citizen” as one born on U.S. soil to citizen parents:

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says: “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)

Ann Scott was born in South Carolina before the American revolution, and her father adhered to the American cause and remained and was at his death a citizen of South Carolina. There is no dispute that his daughter Ann, at the time of the Revolution and afterwards, remained in South Carolina until December, 1782. Whether she was of age during this time does not appear. If she was, then her birth and residence might be deemed to constitute her by election a citizen of South Carolina. If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings, has it ever been lost, or was it lost before the death of her father, so that the estate in question was, upon the descent cast, incapable of vesting in her? Upon the facts stated, it appears to us that it was not lost and that she was capable of taking it at the time of the descent cast.

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As society cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights.' Again: 'I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. . . .

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939),

Was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that a child born in the United States to naturalized parents on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen and that the child's natural born citizenship is not lost if the child is taken to and raised in the country of the parents' origin, provided that upon attaining the age of majority, the child elects to retain U.S. citizenship "and to return to the United States to assume its duties." Not only did the court rule that she did not lose her native born Citizenship but it upheld the lower courts decision that she is a "natural born Citizen of the United States" because she was born in the USA to two naturalized U.S. Citizens.

But the Secretary of State, according to the allegation of the bill of complaint, had refused to issue a passport to Miss Elg 'solely on the ground that she had lost her native born American citizenship.' The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants [307 U.S. 325, 350] (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227 , 57 S.Ct. 461, 108 A.L.R. 1000), declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States' (99 F.2d 414) and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. The decree in that sense would in no way interfere with the exercise of the Secretary's discretion with respect to the issue of a passport but would simply preclude the denial of a passport on the sole ground that Miss Elg had lost her American citizenship."

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 - Use of The Law of Nations by the Constitutional Convention

The Biggest Cover-up in American History

If there is extensive law written that covers election fraud, but it is impossible to enforce, or if a sufficient number of people agree that So-and-So is the President or Pope despite the law, how does that not utterly, completely destroy the entire notion of the Rule of Law itself? As I have said for years with regards to Obama, if you can’t enforce Article II Section 1 Clause 5 of the Constitution, what can you enforce? Can you enforce the border? Can you enforce citizenship? Equal protection? Search and seizure? Right to bear arms? Can you enforce the law against treason? Theft? Murder? Trafficking in body parts? Religious persecution?

Mark Levin Attacks Birthers: Admits He Hasn't Studied Issue; Declares Canadian-Born Cruz Eligible

Not much information exists on why the Third Congress (under the lead of James Madison and the approval of George Washington) deleted "natural born" from the Naturalization Act of 1790 when it passed the Naturalization Act of 1795. There is virtually no information on the subject because they probably realized that the First Congress committed errors when it passed the Naturalization Act of 1790 and did not want to create a record of the errors.

It can be reasonably argued that Congress realized that under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, Congress is given the power to make uniform laws on naturalization and that this power did not include the power to decide who is included or excluded from being a presidential Article II "natural born Citizen." While Congress has passed throughout United States history many statutes declaring who shall be considered nationals and citizens of the United States at birth and thereby exempting such persons from having to be naturalized under naturalization laws, at no time except by way of the short-lived "natural born" phrase in Naturalization Act of 1790 did it ever declare these persons to be "natural born Citizens."

The uniform definition of "natural born Citizen" was already provided by the law of nations and was already settled. The Framers therefore saw no need nor did they give Congress the power to tinker with that definition. Believing that Congress was highly vulnerable to foreign influence and intrigue, the Framers, who wanted to keep such influence out of the presidency, did not trust Congress when it came to who would be President, and would not have given Congress the power to decide who shall be President by allowing it to define what an Article II "natural born Citizen " is.

Additionally, the 1790 act was a naturalization act. How could a naturalization act make anyone an Article II "natural born Citizen?" After all, a "natural born Citizen" was made by nature at the time of birth and could not be so made by any law of man.

Natural Born Citizen Through the Eyes of Early Congresses

Harvard Law Review Article FAILS to Establish Ted Cruz as Natural Born Citizen

Watch: Mark Levin declares Ted Cruz a "Naturalized Citizen"

Mark Levin Attacks Birthers: Admits He Hasn't Studied Issue; Declares Canadian-Born Cruz Eligible

The settled law of the land is that the US President must be a natural born citizen, and that to be a natural born citizen, you must have been born in the United States to parents both of whom were US citizens when you were born.

You may disagree with the goal of the Constitutional Convention, and/or with the means they chose to achieve it. But it's not a technicality, not an anachronism no longer relevant in modern times, nor is it racist. Especially in modern times, it enables persons of any race or ethnic heritage to become President. And it's what the Constitution requires.

You may also disagree with binding precedent regarding the meaning of "natural born citizen" as established in Minor. But in our system, the Constitution, and the Supreme Court's interpretation of it, are the "supreme law of the land." And if one faction gets to disregard the Constitution and/or the Supreme Court because they disagree, then that sets a precedent where all other factions can do the same.

Any Argument Against the Natural Law Definition of "Natural Born Citizen" Can easily be Defeated Here

279 posted on 09/16/2016 3:29:42 PM PDT by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: Will J Diamond

How did an embarrassingly ignorant Obama is shill just happen to find a thread, for his/her very first post, not listed on the sidebar?


280 posted on 09/16/2016 3:30:34 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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