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So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
Townhall.com ^ | August 1, 2016 | Kurt Schlichter

Posted on 08/01/2016 4:39:18 AM PDT by Kaslin

The primaries are over and Trump is the nominee, and instead of whining about it like a Millennial faced with having to get a job we need to step back and ask ourselves if we have learned anything from this bizarre turn of events. The GOP – our GOP – has nominated someone who is not a traditional conservative. He’s not even an untraditional conservative. Hell, there’s probably not even a “c” or a “v” in whatever he is. So we can either try to figure out what happened or keep rending our clothes and gnashing our teeth about how our own voter base took one look at us and rejected us like any sober, sighted guy in a bar at 7 p.m. would reject Lena Dunham.

What have we learned from this? We can’t answer that unless we get beyond the natural tendency to assume that the problem is that everyone else is wrong: “Gosh, if the voters weren’t so stupid they would have totally fallen in line with our commands and right now we’d be watching Jeb Bush being fitted for a gimp suit by Hillary instead of seeing Trump [checks current polls] uh, cleaning her clock. Wait, what?”

Did we ever actually listen to our people? I mean all our people, not just the people who went to the same colleges as us and who hang with us at the same awesome restaurants and read National Review. I mean the actual voters out there in wherever actual GOP voters live. Did we pay attention to them and their concerns? Did we listen to them about illegal immigration, about the impact of free trade, about the wars we supported? And did we fight? I don’t mean just give lip service to how bad and unwashed liberals are, but really get in there and stand up to these flag-hating, gender-inventing, God-booing jerks? Or did we look down on the very people we were depending on at election time?

In short, did we completely screw up? Nah, it’s clearly everyone else who’s wrong. They’re just too stupid to understand that they need to obediently fall in line. After all, their real interests are actually – and super conveniently – our interests.

Seriously – is that where we are at? Because I’m hearing a lot of such nonsense from people horrified at Trump and, by extension, the GOP voters who nominated him fair and square. Can we really blame them for voting for the one guy who actually paid attention to what they were saying?

Did we listen about illegal immigration? Heck, illegal immigration is just wonderful for us. We get cheaper restaurant food, cheaper houses, cheaper maids, and if we own companies we get cheaper workers. So what’s not to love, right? Except maybe you didn’t go to a university and wanted to work with your hands and found that you can’t get a job because all the companies are hiring cheap illegal alien workers. Or your truck got hit by an uninsured illegal. Or your daughter got killed by an illegal who should have been deported. Well, if you have concerns about these things, clearly you’re a racist.

And our response to their massive law breaking is “Well, we can’t possibly enforce the law! [clutches pearls tightly] Why, that would be mean!” Do you think that when some red state Republican voter breaks the law he gets a pass? You think the IRS isn’t going to empty his bank account to pay overdue taxes because he carries a sign reading “I didn’t cross the tax code; the tax code crossed me!” We can’t deport an illegal because his family, that shouldn’t even be here, might be sad, but do you think anyone working for Uncle Sucker gives a half damn about an American’s family if he steps out of line? Our response to the legitimate grievances of the people we counted on in this election was to call them stupid and racist and people are surprised they flocked to the one guy who listened to them?

We love fair trade. But what about the guy whose job that he support his family with gets outsourced because of NAFTA? What are we supposed to tell him? That in aggregate fair trade is beneficial? Yeah, but what if you’re not in the aggregate? I don’t know the answer, but I do know that so far we've been telling him “Suck it up cuz you’re obsolete. Go retrain on computers, dummy.” Yet we’re stunned that our voters have failed to embrace our innovative two-prong approach of ignoring their grievances while heaping abuse upon them?

And let's talk about wars. Generally, it’s our base that fights wars and we haven’t won one on the ground since Desert Storm. Our base doesn’t mind fighting for a cause, but if we're not as dedicated as they are, if we can't even commit to win when they commit to doing the dying, why are we shocked when instead of answering the call for the umpteenth time they let it go to voicemail? And the stuff about NATO and Trump – you know, our voters are not blind. If our allies were doing their fair share, his criticisms wouldn't resonate.

And did we listen when our base asked the establishment to show some fighting spirit? Or are we driven to effectively vote for Hillary because somebody scandalized out tender sensibilities by using the verb “schlonged?” Our base demanded someone who wouldn’t be intimidated, who would fight. Instead, the establishment was dead set on dumping a steaming pile of Jeb on our collective lawn, the same durrwood you can watch on YouTube hanging a medal around Hillary Clinton's wrinkled neck. That pompous geebo can’t even take his own damn side in a fight; why is anyone shocked that our voters saw he would never take theirs?

So what have we learned about ourselves? Maybe that many of us are snobs. There's a lot of class warfare going on here, a lot of backroom snark, with a lot of conservatives who want to believe that the only people who could ever support Donald Trump are knuckle-dragging morons who can't cut it when it comes to anything besides digging ditches. Too many of us choose cultural solidarity with the liberals we live among over political solidarity with the people we expected to vote with us.

“Gosh,” we tell ourselves. “These people can’t even see what’s in their own best interest.” Except maybe they don’t like what they see. Maybe it’s because they decided we aren’t worth listening to. Maybe they don’t like us conservatives. And maybe we better figure out how to fix that instead of whining.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016election; 2016gopprimary; conservatives; donaldtrump; lessons; schlichter
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To: central_va

It will never blow over.

No matter what happens in November, things are not going back to the way they were.

If they try to force it back then the Party will melt away and a new Conservative party will take its place.


101 posted on 08/01/2016 8:07:19 AM PDT by crusher2013
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To: crusher2013

The new party should be called the Patriot Party.


102 posted on 08/01/2016 8:09:48 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kaslin
While it may be starting to register on the ruling class that we have a genuine revolt going on here, I don't think the nature of that revolt is clear to them despite exhaustive efforts to make it clear on the part of the folks with the pitchforks and the torches. Part of the problem is the apparently unquestioned assumption that "we set the terms, we mold the discussion," which is part of what the revolt is reacting to.

Bernie Sanders should not have happened. He was (and more obviously so in retrospect) a foil placed to illuminate the "inevitable" candidate and when his campaign took off he was ill-equipped to deal with it and the party unwilling to help him. He did not come out of nowhere but his fans did.

Trump at least was more explicable at the outset from the ruling class perspective: a WWE-esque reality television star that would be a momentary passion of the unwashed more accustomed to Honey Boo Boo than to the intricacies of the Beltway Sport of Kings. Let the little people rave, the pros would soon be along to take the dangerous toys out of the kiddies' hands.

Yeb!'s campaign taking a nosedive into a rickety tumbrel full of poo should have been a warning. He too was "inevitable", a keeper of arcane insider spells necessary to keep this immense joke of a government tottering along. There are a lot of three thousand dollar suits and cushy slush funds and golden parachutes riding on the continuing willingness of the sheep to be fleeced for their betters. And it is here that the commentariat failed most signally: declaring that revolt was not an option is not the same as making it so.

Hence their current confusion. Schlichter gets it here, but nobody's listening. The ruling class packages a candidate A as a "conservative" who is not, a candidate B who is "liberal" but just as much a comfortable insider, frames the discussion, sets the terms, performs the customary media incantations and the magic just isn't happening. It's obviously somebody else's fault.

103 posted on 08/01/2016 8:53:28 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Kaslin

That the Republican Party sucked so much that it took frickin’ Donald Trump to make it viable again.


104 posted on 08/01/2016 8:56:12 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: central_va

“Trump is also for trade protectionism which was the cornerstone of the Republican Party platform up to the time of the second WW.”


I learned all about free trade and its benefits in school. Even then, however, I understood that if someone wanted to cheat, then it wasn’t “free” anything, except a free ride for the cheater. It would be a very big net negative for the sucker who allowed himself to be cheated.

Trump understands these simple facts of life, and everyone else who condemns him for not being for free trade is just being ignorant (and, I believe, willfully so - they’re not that stupid, they just think that everyone else IS).


105 posted on 08/01/2016 9:30:00 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Ancesthntr
I learned all about free trade and its benefits in school.

Odd no in school taught any of the vast down of free trade like de industrialization.

106 posted on 08/01/2016 11:13:49 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kaslin

If all other admonitions fail, remember- ABC!

Anyone But Clinton!


107 posted on 08/01/2016 12:48:00 PM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: central_va

“Odd no in school taught any of the vast down of free trade like de industrialization”


Yeah, I noticed that, too. The Profs are great on theory, not so much on practice (except the ones bright enough to do consulting, where actually knowing something of use pays).


108 posted on 08/01/2016 2:05:34 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Kaslin

Nothing. I don’t get it.


109 posted on 08/01/2016 2:08:36 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: Fresh Wind
Was Romney a traditional conservative?
Was McCain a traditional conservative?
Was Bush II a traditional conservative?
Was Bush I a traditional conservative?

You tell us. Maybe "traditional Republican candidate acceptable to conservatives" is a better way of putting it than "traditional conservative."

If you're saying they weren't all traditional Republican candidates or acceptable to conservatives, you could be right.

If you're saying that all of them weren't traditional Republican candidates acceptable to Republicans, that could be going too far.

110 posted on 08/01/2016 2:24:04 PM PDT by x
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To: Kaslin

Good article.


111 posted on 08/01/2016 2:28:13 PM PDT by x
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To: miss marmelstein

Your source please? Because this is what he wrote in 2008:

McCain for President
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, October 24, 2008

Contrarian that I am, I’m voting for John McCain.

From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/23/AR2008102302867.html


112 posted on 08/01/2016 8:08:21 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Baldwin77

Yep


113 posted on 08/01/2016 8:34:22 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Kaslin

None of my family want to vote for him and we are conservative.One part of the family will vote against him because they think he will blow us up.


114 posted on 08/01/2016 8:43:42 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: x

My point is that NONE of them are “traditional conservatives”. I take issue with the author’s suggestion that the recent run of Republican candidates come anywhere close to that standard.

Your description “traditional Republican candidate acceptable to conservatives” is almost there. I would say “marginally acceptable” instead. That would perfectly describe those candidates.

Implied in my comment is the obvious lack of electoral success experienced by the people I mentioned (Bush II barely made it in, and Bush I couldn’t make it on his own). I forgot to include Dole, he belongs there as well.

In this day and age, “traditional Republicans marginally acceptable to conservatives” aren’t likely to ever become president.

I had high hopes that Cruz was going to be the traditional conservative who is also electable, but he succeeded only in driving people away from him, in stark contrast to the Reagan phenomenon.

Trump is neither a traditional Republican nor is he a traditional conservative.

But he has other things going for him that put him far ahead of his Republican rivals, and hopefully will allow him to forever erase the Clinton/Obama stain on our country.


115 posted on 08/02/2016 4:03:09 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hey now baby, get into my big black car, I just want to show you what my politics are.)
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To: skr

What else is he going to say publicly? He wanted to keep his Fox job. Sarah Palin was just too icky for him to support. Jerk.


116 posted on 08/02/2016 4:45:48 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: miss marmelstein

I provided a source about Krauthammer, in his own words, voting for McCain in 2008. Since you didn’t provide a source, I can only surmise you don’t have one.

So you think his dislike of Palin (who was only going to be a mere vice president) was enough for him to vote for a man he despised to become president with all the power that entails and then to lie about it? That doesn’t even make sense.


117 posted on 08/04/2016 2:23:58 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: txrefugee

Well said. If Trump could hammer at the horrible Hillary/Obama economy, and leave these side issues alone, I believe he could - will win!


118 posted on 08/04/2016 2:28:55 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: skr

Yes, just as I believe he’ll either go for Hillary or probably sit home. I don’t like him, I don’t trust him, and By Golly, I’m standing by my opinion!


119 posted on 08/04/2016 4:30:30 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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