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To: NKP_Vet
The article keeps using the word "clearly", not that I doubt the narrative of the article, but it sure wasn't "clear" to me...

I consider Allen West an impeccable person and very careful what goes on his website...so it's not a bunch of BS

3 posted on 07/10/2016 11:45:20 AM PDT by Popman (Christ alone: My Cornerstone.)
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To: Popman

http://bluelivesmatter.blue/second-alton-sterling-video-vindicates-cops/

You should go to the source site like I usually do. I blew up the video and watched it there. I would only disagree with Allen West in that the officer had NO PROBLEM removing the gun from the perps pocket.

Reaching, not reaching, who cares. He was aggressively RESISTING.

HE HAD A GUN!

Cops do not have to wait until they are shot to determine whether or not their life was in danger.

An out of control perp, WITH A GUN, unable to be controlled by TWO officers, refusing to obey numerous commands, is just asking to be SHOT.

If it had been a Black officer, I doubt the results would have been any different.


9 posted on 07/10/2016 12:30:03 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Popman

I had to watch the video several times. One cannot focis on all three involved people’s biomechanical movements and listen to the voices/commands....and digest them all at once.

After watching it several times...both with and without audio...it is clear to me that the officers arrived on the scene of a call we’re at a minimum they knew someone had stated the suspect had a gun and then threaten them with it.

Note that on every single police call..no matter what the call is..... the very first thing an officer is trained to do is to render the scene safe for everyone. This could be parking a patrol car to block vehicle traffic because a power line has fallen down or it may be physically controlling a person until all the facts are known.

On this call I think the following occured.

They contact the suspect who turns away from them and begins to move away from them. This is not what a compliant suspect does. Turning away is also known to be done by suspects just before they attack and is a prime pre-attack indicator.

They believe they have a non-compliant suspect who is possibly armed with a gun. Turning away is either an attempt to flee or an attempt to conceal his right side where we eventually see as a gun in his pocket.

These would be red flags for beat officers with more than a year of street level contacts with suspects in areas with significant street crime issues.

That scenario appears to be consistent with what we see next...an officer charging the suspect from behind and attempting to do a take down and get control of a suspect who they believe is armed and fleeing or concealing.

The confrontation moves to the grouns. Even with 2 officers in semi-mounted positions the scene is not yet safe. The suspect’s hands are not controlled and he has not yet been searched for weapons.

The suspect has full control of his righ arm and hand for bearly the entire ground confrontation with a breif moment when one officer has the right hand trapped. But that officer is not in a good position to leverage against a joint or keep control of the hand and susoect frees it.

This can be seen with the shoulder and elbow movements of the suspects right side.

At this time you hear commands and communications where one officer is telling the other thatthe suspect has a gun. This may mean he has a gun in his pocket or his hand...or he has his hand on the gun which is in his roght front pocket.

That is not clear based upon the video.

This is a bad scenario for all involved.

I believe I hear ine officer telling the other officer to shoot by saying something like “do it.”

Shots are fired by at least one officer and possibly by the other officer and/or the suspect.

I have heard elsewhwere that the recovered firearm from the suspect was a hammerless revolver. That type of firearm is easily fired from within a pocket.

We will have to wait to find out if the suspect’s hand and/or pants shows signs of the suspect firing a firearm and whether the susoect’s handgun was fired during the incident.

It should be rmemebered that it is not required that a police officer wait for a suspect to grab point and fire a gun at her/him before shooting.....no more than if a guy winds up to throw a punch at you that you sre required to wait until the punch lands before you act.


12 posted on 07/10/2016 1:08:54 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Trump, effective govt. that will be great for crony "art of the deal" capitalists)
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