Posted on 07/10/2016 7:39:06 AM PDT by MtnClimber
It’s happened to most of us – some more than others. You’re driving down the highway or a backroad or maybe you roll through a stop sign one too many times, and here they come. The flashing lights, the piercing sound of the siren. It’s nerve-racking, to say the least.
With so much tension surrounding recent officer-involved shootings, I feel a duty to open the discussion on what to do when legal gun owners either open or concealed carrying are pulled over by police.
No matter what state you find yourself in, national firearms expert and trainer Massad Ayoob explains there is a universal way to inform the officer you’re carrying: hand your concealed carry permit over with your drivers license.
(Excerpt) Read more at bearingarms.com ...
I have read the CC law a few times and there is nothing in the law restraining a police officer from asking you if you are carrying a weapon.
By law in the state of GA you are not required to volunteer information to a police officer that you are armed. There is nothing precluding an officer from asking you if you are carrying weapons or have them in your vehicle. Being evasive is likely to just give them probable cause to search your vehicle.
Specifics and obfuscation IMO. Read this and then tell me about “county specifics”. The GEORGIA LAW States contrary.
http://www.usacarry.com/georgia_concealed_carry_permit_information.html
You are not required to volunteer shit unless you are requested to. And a presentation of the CCW and a statement “none that you need concerned about is sufficient, legally.”
They can ask you what they effing well want. You give them a copy of the license and they have not further grounds unless you are acting like an asshole.
That’s worse than your girlfriend in the passenger seat screaming “He got weed! He got weed!”
I agree.
Since I know what the officer is going to ask for, usually get my wallet and paper work out before he even exist his vehicle, then wait for him with my hands on the wheel.
Instead I thanked him for attempting to slow her down.
Of course she was always right, so her behavior didn't change.
The trooper told me that he'd never had a call such as mine.
Good to know.
My point is that you said by law the police cannot ask you if you have a weapon. You were wrong. The law does not preclude a police officer from asking you if you have a weapon or weapons in the car. If you want to give them a smart ass answer be my guest. You can come on FR and let us all know how it went. LOL!
My rules for interacting with law enforcement: 1) Don't lie to the police. 2) don't run from the police. 3) Definitely don't fight with the police. 4) If necessary advise the officer(s) that you donn't consent to any abridgment of your constitutional rights.
I think I'll add a 5th: Don't be snarky with the police. I could see it turning out badly.
I never said be “snarky” and I never meant to imply a question about ‘weapons with you’ to go unaccompanied by a statement of “no CCW concurrent”. I am just saying these jack booted skinheads cannot rule over you because they wear a badge. We do have laws about CCWs here in Georgia and the police MUST respect them.
“and they have not further grounds unless you are acting like an asshole.”
I think that’s the part you may want to reflect on. :-)
MY FIRST statement included showing a Drivers License AND a copy of the CWCL. That act preludes them from further intrusion into my civil rights according to Georgia Statutes. How do you not understand this. I said it clearly in the very first exchange.
Why is a smart-assed reply necessary? Why not say you have a weapon and a permit to carry it? I do this all the time in SC. My permit and drivers license are together in my billfold. When the cop asks for my license at the DUI roadblock, I hand him both. This indicates a weapon is present with no threat to the officer. Most say thank you, sir, and I’m on my way. But a smart-assed remark is asking for a trifle ticket. Stupid and not necessary, and frankly disrespectful if someone doing a dangerous job.
Same for PA. No need to add tension to a situation. I am only going to say I am carrying a weapon if directly asked.
I'm better now.
You are now just being snarky and impolite because you’d rather give up your legal rights than fight for them. I never once said be an asshole, yet that’s what you assume.
Okay, good luck with your appeasement and abridgement of rights you have but refuse to avail yourself of.
Lots of anecdotal examples of this are cropping up elsewhere, and almost always the police are polite, professional, and calmed when notified there is a gun, while the driver keeps his hands on the wheel.
And, a noticeable number of times, having a gun means that the police officer just gives them a warning instead of a ticket(!) I suspect the reason being that police are learning that legal gun owners are not just law abiding, but are allied with, friendly and supportive of the police.
Though a special note, during the current unpleasantness, it is very wise to be extra controlled in your behavior during an encounter. For instance, keep your speech slow and clear, and keep it separate from your actions. That is, do not talk and move at the same time.
When ordered to do something by the officer, tell him where it is located, then tell him you will get it for him, and finally, announce *while* you are getting it that you are getting it, giving plenty time for him to halt you.
For example:
“May I see your license and registration.”
“I am carrying a licensed (or legal) gun with me.”
“May I see your license (and/or “where is the gun now?)”
“My license is in my wallet, in the left rear pocket of my pants.” (or perhaps) “My gun is in a holster in the glove compartment. My registration is in the glove compartment as well.”
“Please remove your license from your wallet and give it to me.”
“I am reaching for my wallet in the left rear pocket of my pants.”
“Please get your registration from your glove compartment, while leaving your gun in there.”
“I am reaching for my vehicle registration only in my glove compartment.”
All in all, it sounds very wooden. However, it is very calming to police officers. Something very good right now.
(Important note: during any police encounter, be very aware of any other police officers arriving on scene. While the first officer may be very relaxed, the new ones may still be very tense and nervous.)
Calling a women a pussy. Stay classy, gaffer.
Because this is what the Chief of Police in my area told us to say “none that you should be concerned bout.” Especially after you have shown the officer your CWCL.
Do I trust you -— or him.?
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