Posted on 07/10/2016 7:39:06 AM PDT by MtnClimber
It’s happened to most of us – some more than others. You’re driving down the highway or a backroad or maybe you roll through a stop sign one too many times, and here they come. The flashing lights, the piercing sound of the siren. It’s nerve-racking, to say the least.
With so much tension surrounding recent officer-involved shootings, I feel a duty to open the discussion on what to do when legal gun owners either open or concealed carrying are pulled over by police.
No matter what state you find yourself in, national firearms expert and trainer Massad Ayoob explains there is a universal way to inform the officer you’re carrying: hand your concealed carry permit over with your drivers license.
(Excerpt) Read more at bearingarms.com ...
“I stopped carrying a wallet years ago. A money clip is more compact and simpler...”
Who still carries money? Most folks need a wallet to carry all their plastic.
True story: I sold a load of aluminum scrap to the recycling place and they paid me a couple hundred in cash. I put it in my wallet and didn’t remember it was there for something like three months. Told my wife about it and the cash was gone the next morning ;-)
“Clearly you need more refugees to get your statistics up.”
Thursday at 2 is coming!
“Since I know what the officer is going to ask for, usually get my wallet and paper work out before he even exist his vehicle, then wait for him with my hands on the wheel.”
I think that’s risky. Once the cop puts the lights on you, he’s watching every move you make. Reaching for anything before he approaches and gives you permission to do so, is only upping the stress and tension level for the officer.
Stopping your car and keeping your hands where the officer can see them, lowers his stress level greatly, which is what anyone should want to do in that situation. Doing otherwise can get you killed.
lol....happened to my brother.
I almost always carry on my left side, it is also my wallet side. When the stop commences I pull my wallet and lay it on the dash, in front of the steering wheel. I then roll my window part way down and put my hands on the headliner all before the cop gets out of his vehicle.
“the Chief of Police in my area told us to say “none that you should be concerned bout.” “
Bad advice, in my opinion - I don’t care who said it.
That reply is flippant and just slightly menacing. Wrong attitude to cop with a law enforcement officer who’s only doing his job. Sounds like a challenge, actually.
Actually, any cop more concerned with ccw holder than he is another cop with a gun is also an idiot. Ccw holeers are the most law-abiding members of our society, with a lower crime rate than police officers themselves. When a cop interacts with someone with a ccw, its probably the safest stop he’s made all day.
Your description of the “wooden” police encounter patter, is exactly what I used to do when I was a young driver in the inner city.
No one had to teach it to me. I was a long haired lowrider, and interacted with the police on an almost daily basis.
I get pulled over at least 6 times per year and I average about 1.5 citations a year. I drive a lot, and I drive fast. I keep the paperwork on the visor. When pulled over I get my DL out and place it on the dash in front of me.
I then roll the window done and place both hands on the wheel and wait for the officer.
I will also drive up to a mile after being flashed to find a safe well lit place. I will not pull over on a narrow piece of road where cars have to swerve around. I do not consider getting a ticket a proper use of the emergency lane.
I get numerous compliments on finding a good spot and having the stuff out and having hands visible.
Howdy back atcha, dawg!
“You and I both know that all these big talking keyboard commandos, when in this situation, will wise up and do exactly what Gresham and Ayoob advised them to do.”
If they don’t, they run the risk of getting a three dimensional zot.
I learned all this common sense stuff as a youngster in the inner city. Before the era of political correctness, I was routinely treated roughly by the police, and understood at a physical level that these guys could take my life if I played stupid.
I learned pretty quick to do whatever it took to keep those interactions as calm as possible.
I would say that answer will not get a pleasant response. They will cuff you, and have you on the ground.
Be polite, be calm, and comply with EVERYTHING a cop tells you to do. You can sue later, but getting killed serves no purpose.
I have been advised to put my wallet on the dash. Imagine how that would work out running errands around town. Maybe on a long road trip, but not for regular commuting and running around.
I was wondering the same thing! I’m 67 and lived in many parts of the country (Navy) and the only time I have been stopped for anything was when I was 16 years old, about three months after getting my license. I guess I’m just a crushing bore. :-)
thanks. unfortunately, in MN. the names of gun permit holders are not public under state law, so we may never know what’s true.
arg...I use the word “unfortunately” only as it relates to knowing\not knowing if Castile was a CCW holder.
A lot of people, and far too many FReepers, forget that each state is different; has different laws and a different culture. We should be grateful for that and work to preserve it.
I moved from Hawaii to Alaska a few years ago. Whoa! It is not just the weather. Praise the Lord.
Form 4473 is not registration
Yes, it is.
However, though it is not the same as registration, it could be used to populate a registration, but would probably be wildly inaccurate because it does not track what happens to the gun after it leaves the store. If the police come to your door, you can just say you sold it. The government does not actually get those forms until a dealer closes up shop (though theoretically the could com in an copy them all). The government does like to collect information and we are all probably on several lists anyway, but so far they have better things to do than going to the trouble to go to the dealers and copy these forms.
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