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Remember 1977, When the F-16 Was America's Problem Child?
Popular Mechanics ^ | Jun 29, 2016 | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 06/29/2016 8:56:34 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

A New York Times newspaper article describes a beleaguered American fighter program enduring delays, escalating costs, and technical problems. Another article about the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter no doubt, right? Nope. It's an article from 1977 about the F-16 Fighting Falcon.

The F-16 was the original multinational fighter. Developed by the United States with Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands, and Norway as partners, the fighter was designed to be an agile, lightweight, daytime fighter to replace aging fighters such as the F-5 Freedom Fighter and the F-104 Starfighter. At $6,091,000 per unit—$27.1 million when adjusted for inflation—it was also supposed to be inexpensive.

Many of the F-16's past problems are mirror images of the issues we see in the F-35. According to the article, the Air Force expected the F-16's research and development costs rose by some $7 billion to reach $13.8 billion by 1986. Adjusted for inflation, that's $54.7 billion in today's dollars. F-35 R&D costs, on the other hand, are estimated at $107 billion dollars to date.

Like the F-35, the F-16's problems arose from technological issues and design challenges. The fly-by-wire mechanism of the F-16, in which an aerodynamically unstable but highly maneuverable aircraft was tamed by computers to keep it flying, was an expensive problem that was eventually solved. Like the F-35, the F-16 had problems with its engine and also had to be modified to placate U.S. allies who wanted a fighter capable of air-to-ground missions, a real multi-role fighter.

Still, as similar as the problems between these two planes are, the F-35's problems are much more intense. The F-35 was originally slated to cost $50 million apiece—nearly twice the original cost of the F-16 at today's prices—but the three versions of the plane currently run anywhere from $112 to $120 million each. The F-16 encountered months of delays, but the F-35 A/B/C models will, on average, be delayed half a decade.

Yes, America and her allies have been down this road before, but this time it is a lot rockier.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; f16; f35; generaldynamics
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
The F-16 was conceived as a bare bones lightweight fighter with limited daytime capabilities. As such, it was designed with the understanding that it would be affordable to countries seeking a low cost export fighter to replace the F-5s and the F-104s in service.

The USAF considered it so inferior to the F-15 in concept (single engined, lightweight, less payload carrying capability) that they considered it a stopgap or supplemental fighter. F-16 squadrons were supposed to die while holding an enemy air fleet at bay until the F-15s could come in and save them, like the cavalry in a movie. The fighter mafia mocked the F-16 by calling it a "lawn dart".

The F-35 is conceived to replace a variety of first line airplanes, the F-16, F/A-18 and A-10 in this country as well as several european airplanes like the Tornado for example. The F-35 is also designed to compete and maintain an edge in the modern air battlefield environment.

It has more advanced elements than any current US design, even the F-22, does in battlefield communications networking. It uses a helmet cueing system that the the F-15, F-16 and F-22 don't have (the F/A-18 does now) where the pilot looks at the target rather than points the plane at the target. It gives it's pilot 360 degree visibility and unprecidented situational awareness. The Pilot can literally visualize targets underneath the airplane, a blind spot for all conventional airplanes up to now...

Finally,it is designed from the ground up to be stealthy, survivable and lethal. All elements any pilot would love to have in a combat environment. With all that capability, it is coupled with the most capable analytical data processing system available, a pilot.

Drones go where they are pointed do what they are told to do and are controlled by someone half a hemisphere away. There are time delays between drone sensor acquisition, data linking, remote situational interpretation, response uplinking, the drone reacting to the response and even that reaction is based on the signal at the start of the process, not real time.

That is why drones are used as targets.

21 posted on 06/29/2016 10:14:38 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: sukhoi-30mki

22 posted on 06/29/2016 11:44:38 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: SkyDancer

Thew F-16 is far superior to the F-35 today... it’s actually flying for one and doesn’t need another $20B to $100B software fix just to solve the F-35 Autonomic Logistics Information System.


23 posted on 06/30/2016 2:15:14 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising a new Civil War needs to happen.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Bookmark.


24 posted on 06/30/2016 4:00:41 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: sukhoi-30mki

One of the most prolifically distributed and desired fighters in the world. The big one I remember is hydraulic problems on the F-14 Tomcat.


25 posted on 06/30/2016 4:18:17 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Talisker
"While the F16 rocks, the F22 is. Which is why Obama killed it.

President Trump will bring it back. That's why they're holding on to the tooling." I hope you are right, And I hope he brings back the A-10 as well.

26 posted on 06/30/2016 6:17:13 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Originally designed as a day VFR fighter.


27 posted on 06/30/2016 7:45:07 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Talisker

where?


28 posted on 06/30/2016 7:46:03 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: DesertRhino

There were problems with the 16s fly by wire systems resulting in some early ones going pointy side down. That is how it came to be known as a “lawn dart”. I am no fan of the 35 but I’m sure it’ll eventually be a great plane. Strap enough cash to the hard points and you can fix anything.


29 posted on 06/30/2016 7:52:59 AM PDT by Lee Enfield (I identify as rich, cut me a check.)
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To: Lee Enfield

Actually, “Lawn Dart” was a result of many crashes, and most all crashes in the early years were the result of I-GLOC.

Back in the 80’s, the joke was;

Question: “What’s the quickest way I can get a piece of an F-16?”

Answer: Buy an acre of land in Germany.


30 posted on 06/30/2016 10:04:51 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Paladin2

Gen 6 technology.

Integrated networking. . .


31 posted on 06/30/2016 10:05:29 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: pfflier

“Drones go where they are pointed do what they are told to do and are controlled by someone half a hemisphere away. “

Yes, but not all are flown by pilots, some are capable of autonomous operation (change route due to threats and weather).


32 posted on 06/30/2016 10:07:13 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

Autonomous operation does not equate to intelligent operation.


33 posted on 06/30/2016 10:24:46 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: pfflier

True.


34 posted on 06/30/2016 10:30:10 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka
the same place they keep the A-10 tooling...
35 posted on 06/30/2016 4:36:19 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - Luke, 22:36)
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To: Chode

Republic of Fairchild is no longer in business.

Seriously, where would the tooling be for the A-10 and F-32


36 posted on 06/30/2016 4:54:16 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka
it's gone, that was my whole point... 8^)
37 posted on 06/30/2016 4:58:48 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - Luke, 22:36)
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