Or the Truth. I expect many of you are so invested in your narrative that you will continue to wrestle with the truth because you simply do not want to believe things were otherwise than what you had been led to believe.
Sorry, I've been, ahem, hogtied by other demands, and was starting to feel guilty for letting my monthly Free Republic donations lapse.
So today I fixed that, and now have a little time to finish this thread.
DiogenesLamp to rockrr, post #902: "Or the Truth.
I expect many of you are so invested in your narrative that you will continue to wrestle with the truth because you simply do not want to believe things were otherwise than what you had been led to believe."
But there's no real truth coming from you or your side, FRiend.
It's all just cockamamie nonsense invented, some of it, by Confederates themselves, once it became clear their war was lost.
Other claims are just now being concocted, a century and a half later.
So truth is our weapon, falsehoods & nonsense yours.
That's why you always lose your Lost Cause defenses.
rustbucket post #905: "The Congressional Globe cites 11 pairs of delegates..."
PeaBrain to rustbucket, post #907: "In my absence, I see that Rust had completely destroyed whatshisnames’ argument about the Morrill tariff and its supporters"
Let me make this as simple as I can for you:
The 36th US Congress had 235 total members.
Of those, only 169 voted at all on Morrill -- 105 for and 64 opposed, a margin of 41 votes.
But 235 minus 169 means 66 didn't vote at all.
Of those 66 not voting, rustbucket tells us that 11 pairs = 22 votes, cancelled each other out.
So, if for sake of argument we take rusty's number of 22 from the 66 non-voters, we still get 44 potentially persuadable, three more than the 41 needed to defeat Morrill.
But even those 44 net abstentions were not the only potential "no" votes.
In addition there were 7 Northern Democrats and 5 Southern Opposition (Americans) voting "yes" who could potentially be flipped, had there been the political will.
So the total potential was 56 votes, of which just 41 were needed to defeat Morrill.
Again, I'm saying if Southern Democrats really opposed Morrill as strongly as now claimed, they could have done more to defeat it.
But they didn't, and a possible reason is they expected the Senate to kill the bill anyway, which it did.
rustbucket post #905: "It is a waste of my time to respond to your absurd arguments."
It's only a waste because you continually respond with false arguments in support of a cockamamie narrative that was nonsense when first concocted, and remains so today.
PeaBrain to rustbucket, post #907: "One of our posters here kept providing a link to a document that he believes shows the “true” amount of imports in 1859.
Just for your interest, I researched and found that not only is that document out of print, the author manipulated the data."
This link, page 605, references a 1960 study of US exports, imports and balance of payments.
Its export numbers are slightly higher than reported elsewhere, but it's key value is in showing how balance of trade deficits were made up with large specie transfers.
And the point all this makes is: by 1859 Southern cotton accounted for much closer to 50% of total US exports than the 75% to 87% sometimes claimed.
That higher range (75%-87%) suggests that Northern states would be ruined economically without Southern cotton exports.
But the lower number (50%) is closer to reality in explaining how, despite Civil War, the Northern economy quickly adjusted and continue growing without Confederate cotton.
DiogenesLamp to x post #896: "At the time, hiring ships outside of that Northern Coastal monopoly, you would pay 55 cents per ton in taxes/penalties. (Because of that Navigation act of 1817.)"
So here's how you know for certain your argument is rubbish:
According to this source, you're talking about the Navigation Act of 1818, passed by the 15th US Congress, which was controlled by Southern Democrats in the Senate (70%) and House (79%) and signed by a Southern Democrat President, James Monroe.
In both 1817 and 1818 Southern Democrats had absolute control over Washington, DC, so nothing happened which they didn't want, which means your total argument is total garbage, FRiend.
So it's you who are attempting to defeat Truth with lies, and I'm here to tell you, that will never happen, FRiend.