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To: BroJoeK; DiogenesLamp; rockrr; x; rustbucket; PeaRidge
I've "ignored" nothing, have addressed and destroyed each and every argument you & they raised, at great length & detail.

How does one "debate" delusion and cognitive dissonance?

Btw -- if was YOU who tried (and failed) to "Alinsky-ize" your opponents in this debate. You are indicted by your OWN words but now you're trying futility to spin your way OUT?? You should be embarrassed.

Others on this thread have ably and convincingly re-calibrated THE truth of the matter on the motivation and dynamics of the CW from beginning-to-end; Frankly, droning on over your insane obsession that advances politically select memes and historical narratives of a false truths and myths that have been dismissed and dismantled have become quite boring.

Lincoln's North did everything they could to connive, bait, and antagonize the South. He finally got his False Flag event at Fort Sumter and got his war. As documented, even many in the North conceded the South's right to independence and secession. No, but NOT Lincoln and his totalitarian cohorts. They personally affected and risked the lives on MILLIONS (Mostly the poor)...for WHAT?? How pathetic.

Predictably, once again --you indeed have ignored the Big Truth: Coercion of Lincoln and his fellow fascists overlords and dismissal of the simple principles of a Confederacy's God-given RIGHT OF FREEDOM to maintain their rightful, legal, personal and State sovereignty. A Confederacy of southern States roundly REJECTED Lincoln's totalitarian overreach and economic manipulation on behalf of northern interests.

The damage is done -- the blood of 700,000 husbands, brothers, sons cry from soil from PA to Louisiana. Hundreds of thousands of maimed should also not be forgotten. Nor will the brutality and Scorched Earth policy authorized by Lincoln & Sherman.

It's been said: You are entitled to your own opinion, but NOT your own facts (culled from the annals of post CW propagandists of history as written by a victorious, opportunist North.)

736 posted on 07/21/2016 10:03:03 AM PDT by HangUpNow
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To: HangUpNow; BroJoeK
It's been said: You are entitled to your own opinion, but NOT your own facts (culled from the annals of post CW propagandists of history as written by a victorious, opportunist North.)

Variation on the tired old "the winners write the history" lost cause canard. You're really pulling out all the stops, aren't ya?

741 posted on 07/21/2016 3:05:11 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: HangUpNow; rockrr
HangUpNow: "...if was YOU who tried (and failed) to "Alinsky-ize" your opponents in this debate. "

Nonsense.
I merely pointed out the Marxist and Alinskyite elements of your supposedly conservative arguments.
And I seem to have hit a nerve, didn't I?

HangUpNow: "Frankly, droning on over your insane obsession that advances politically select memes and historical narratives of a false truths and myths that have been dismissed and dismantled have become quite boring."

And yet you continue to drone on & on, endlessly repeating your Lost Causer lies. Why?

HangUpNow: "Lincoln's North did everything they could to connive, bait, and antagonize the South. He finally got his False Flag event at Fort Sumter and got his war."

Complete rubbish.
The Union did nothing except respond to ever-increasing Confederate violence against it, culminating in its assault on Fort Sumter, and three weeks later a formal declaration of war against the United States.
Those actions sealed the Confederacy's fate: unconditional surrender.

HangUpNow: "As documented, even many in the North conceded the South's right to independence and secession.
No, but NOT Lincoln and his totalitarian cohorts. "

No, most Northerners agreed with both President Buchanan & Lincoln that declarations of secession "at pleasure" were not lawful, but that the Union could nothing to stop them, so long as Confederates did not start a war.

HangUpNow: "Predictably, once again --you indeed have ignored the Big Truth: Coercion of Lincoln and his fellow fascists overlords and dismissal of the simple principles of a Confederacy's God-given RIGHT OF FREEDOM to maintain their rightful, legal, personal and State sovereignty.
A Confederacy of southern States roundly REJECTED Lincoln's totalitarian overreach and economic manipulation on behalf of northern interests."

All rubbish, total word-salad meaning nothing valid.
In fact, the Confederacy threw away all claims of "rights" or "law" or "constitution" or "state sovereignty" all that they threw away when they started and declared war on the United States.

HangUpNow: "It's been said: You are entitled to your own opinion, but NOT your own facts..."

But y'all don't even bother with facts, y'all don't need no stinkin' facts, what the h*ll good did facts ever do you?
All y'all really need are silly accusations, and anger, rage, and more ridiculous accusations, y'know, just like that fellow Alinksy taught, right?

778 posted on 07/23/2016 1:42:16 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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