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Thanks so much to all for this wonderful conversation, I hugely enjoy it and appreciate the opportunity to defend my country (USA) and the political party (Republicans) that I believe are its backbone....

You guys are great, thanks again for amazing discussions!

Your sentiments are reciprocal. (Not so sure about a GOP "leadership" that appear ambiguous over defending the USCON at best.

That said, though I'd enjoyed reviewing every assertion, re-assertion and bullet point rebuttal, aren't the "facts" and perception of "truth" relative to the respective source? Whereas I disgree vehemently with several positions and asserted "facts," I salute your stamina and commitment to the discussion and your position.

I will not belabor the primary points and observations of the Civil War:

It was a war waged over the definition of rights pertaining to Personal and State sovereignty and individual liberty -- whether one agrees with the premise or not.

Applicable then as now:

IS there a point at which Feral Gimmit indeed over-steps and violates its constitutional authority? Violates its original compact with the States? Violates the Bill of Rights and State & Personal Sovereignty to such a degree that we are no longer "governed" but illegally ruled by edict and tyranny -- without the consent of the governed?

Is there a peaceful resolution?

It was a war waged over the definition of rights pertaining to Personal and State sovereignty and individual liberty -- whether one agrees with the premise or not.

I take issue with this statement. The evidence is slowly accumulating which points to the war being launched for economic, not moral reasons.

That map showing how New York was monopolizing European imports while the bulk of the value was produced from the South, was a real eye opener for me.

New England was making a fortune off of Slave produced products from the South. When the South seceded, not only did a large share of that existing money stream get cut off, but the Southern ports became low duty competition for high duty Northern ports. European factories could now compete directly with Northern factories in supplying goods and services to the people with the money to buy them, meaning the wealthy Southerners who's exports paid for the bulk of the European trade already.

Southern Independence became a massive economic impact to the income streams of the "Empire State." (Who were Lincoln's primary financial backers.)

Of course they weren't going to come out and say "We went to war with the South because they wrecked our pocket book." They had to gin up some other cover story, else what they wanted to do would simply not be possible.

HangUpNow: "IS there a point at which Feral Gimmit indeed over-steps and violates its constitutional authority?
Violates its original compact with the States?"

Now wait, whose web site is this, the DNC?
I thought it's Free Republic, where anybody who's posted here for more than two minutes quickly understands our "Feral Gimmit" has long since abolished all bounds of Constitutionally restricted powers and is working its hardest to compete with Almighty God as the most powerful force in the known Universe!

That is not even a question here.
The only question here is: who do we blame?
Do we blame "Ape" Lincoln and his "Black Republicans" or somebody else?

I blame somebody else, of course, and that somebody is mainly Progressive President Woodrow Wilson...
Though I will reluctantly admit the "progressive spirit" had infected both parties in those days, beginning with Teddy Roosevelt.
But Republican "progressivism" lead to the remarkable administrations of Harding and Coolidge, while liberal progressivism gave us, most notably Franklin Roosevelt.

Anyway, I'm here to defend Lincoln and basic Republican ideals against charges that they share paternity over some of today's governmental monstrosities.