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To: BroJoeK
Is there really any point in you voicing your claims? We already understand that your position is that everything is someone else's fault, and none of the blame for the destruction and aftermath should fall on the heads of the invaders or their descendants.

I figured out that it was pointless to argue with you when you compared Ft. Sumter to Pearl Harbor. And now you are pushing this "Marxist" spiel?

The reaction you get from me is that you don't seem to have both oars in the water.

1,742 posted on 11/25/2016 7:38:12 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; rockrr
DiogenesLamp: "We already understand that your position is that everything is someone else's fault..."

No, it's not just "someone else's fault", it is specifically the fault of Jefferson Davis and his Confederate leadership, because:

  1. First they unlawfully declared secession "at pleasure", making their entire enterprise illegitimate.

  2. Then they immediately began provoking war, and started war at Fort Sumter, formally declared war on the United States, May 6, 1861.

  3. They sent troops and military supplies to conquer several Union states & territories they could not win with votes, making them an existential threat to the United States.

  4. Finally, they refused to stop fighting on any terms more favorable than "Unconditional Surrender".

In short, they were totally insane, as are their defenders today, on this particular subject.

DiogenesLamp: "...and none of the blame for the destruction and aftermath should fall on the heads of the invaders or their descendants."

"or their descendants???"
What kind of insane talk is that?
Nobody outside black-reparationists blames today's descendants for events over 150 years ago, and reparationists are certifiably insane.
So what are you DiogenesLamp, nuts?

DiogenesLamp: "I figured out that it was pointless to argue with you when you compared Ft. Sumter to Pearl Harbor.
And now you are pushing this "Marxist" spiel?"

Fort Sumter and Pearl Harbor were precisely the same in their effects on Americans' public opinion and leadership.
They were also similar militarily, sorry if that disturbs you, but facts remain facts regardless of how you feel about them.

As for your Marxism, there's no doubt in my mind that you've been indoctrinated somewhere by somebody with foul intentions, and I suspect Marxists because of your relentless focus on Northern economic factors, to the exclusion of all else, along with your constant war-hoops against 19th century capitalists.
DiogenesLamp, your mind & values are messed up, you don't share all the values of normal conservatives, so I'd be curious why you think you are one.

DiogenesLamp: "The reaction you get from me is that you don't seem to have both oars in the water."

The reaction you get from me is that you don't seem to have both oars in the water.

1,744 posted on 11/28/2016 4:29:32 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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