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To: BroJoeK
And it's often claimed they are both Republicans & Democrats, but I say 90% are really Democrats, regardless of what they claim to be.

That is likely a reasonable surmise. I too believe the vast bulk of the Shadow government is made up of people who are registered Democrat.

Democrats rule and, with some exceptions, nearly always have.

Not in 1860 and the aftermath. It was the same group of people, they just called themselves "Republicans" in those days. They were the wealthy elite of the Washington Boston power corridor and they thought they were more enlightened and morally superior to everyone else at the time.

Same people, Same economic and social status, and same general geographic location, though they have expanded to Los Angeles and San Fransisco during this last century.

But you, DiogenesLamp, want to localize it to a Washington-New York corridor, and that's just nuts, especially in this day & age when geography is less important than ever in history.

It is not completely isolated to that region, that is just it's center of mass. San Fransisco and Los Angeles have become major players, as has Chicago, but still the core of this Shadow government are the power brokers who live in the region spanning from Washington DC to Boston.

In truth, it has almost nothing to do with where people live, but lots to do with how they live.

You are correct insofar as saying they don't have to live in the Boston DC power corridor, they can live anywhere and still have the same influence, it's just that inertia has kept them where they are, and it is more convenient for them to be near the US Capitol.

I think you recognize what I am getting at but simply don't want to admit it to yourself. The conditions that exist now regarding these people who wield amazing influence behind the scenes, began somewhere just before the middle of the 19th century, (say 1820-1850) and have persisted ever since.

At least you appear to recognize that this behind the scenes influence is one of the forces that we are fighting against, and I think you are aware that it's influence comes from mostly the Washington DC/Boston corridor.

1,651 posted on 11/02/2016 11:56:29 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp: "Not in 1860 and the aftermath.
It was the same group of people, they just called themselves "Republicans" in those days.
They were the wealthy elite of the Washington Boston power corridor and they thought they were more enlightened and morally superior to everyone else at the time. "

Wrong again.
Then as now, most Republicans had small town businesses & rural farms.
Big City businesses were mostly Democrat allies of the Southern slave-power with whom they were closely linked economically.
These Big City business people opposed abolition and supported any efforts to appease secessionists.
They did not control Lincoln because Lincoln was not one of them, far from it.
Indeed, Lincoln was far more removed from that Eastern Democrat "establishment" than is, in our own time, somebody like, say, Mr. Trump.

No offense intended to either.

DiogenesLamp: "Same people, Same economic and social status, and same general geographic location, though they have expanded to Los Angeles and San Fransisco during this last century."

Within the USA there are several such metropolitan "corridors" where wealth & populations concentrate.
Washington to Boston is only one, the entire west coast is another, the mid-west's "rust belt", the I-10 from Texas east, and others.
All are not only internally dynamic, but also strongly linked together with the others via truck, rail, water & air connections.
There interests and voting patterns are quite different from the 90% of US territory which is more rural & small towns.

Major US metropolitan regions:

2012 voting patterns:

1,654 posted on 11/02/2016 12:48:48 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: DiogenesLamp
The false history is slowly coming apart.

Steve R. Pieczenik, MD, PhD[1] (born December 7, 1943) is an American psychiatrist, former United States Department of State official, author, and publisher.

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State in 1976 and Co-Author with Tom Clancy of Numerous books. Tom Clancy's famous character "Jack Ryan" is based on Steve Pieczenik.

A lot of you are not going to like what Dr. Pieczenik has to say.

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https://youtu.be/Dn_UM9ZcOV4

1,721 posted on 11/18/2016 9:33:17 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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