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To: StoneWall Brigade
I am going to interrupt the tariff discussion for a second, to tell everyone that the effort to remove the statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest has failed.

Mr Chairman! Point of order. The "tariff" as the primary focus is misleading. The "tariff" is merely the means by which massive amounts of wealth were channeled to the North. The actual fight was over the disposition of the trade wealth, which was actually being steered by the tariff or the lack thereof.

Focusing on the word "tariff" makes it seem as if only a relatively small amount of money was involved. No, the amount of money involved was the nearly entirety of European Trade, plus potential losses from future competition from newly capitalized Southern industries, both shipping and manufacturing as well as insurance and banking.

New York would have acquired devastating losses and competition in the subsequent decades, and New York had the President's ear. New York was having none of it. Thus, War.

1,579 posted on 10/24/2016 3:40:23 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; StoneWall Brigade
War is funny economically. It can create boom conditions under certain circumstances, but represent a loss in the long run.

In 1861, the war actually initially made more money for the cotton mills because the price of cotton manufactured goods went up sharply in anticipation of the coming cotton shortage. Ultimately, some cotton mills shut down or operated on reduced numbers of days or hours. A lot of the young girls who worked at the cotton mills simply went back home to their families when they lost their jobs. Some girls were able to get work at the woolen mills where uniforms were being made for the Union Army.

Woolen uniforms reminds me of my days in ROTC in a large Southern public high school. All of the boys had to take Army ROTC, and for most of the year we wore wool uniforms. The uniforms got rather hot as the Southern temperature warmed up. We had a compulsory ROTC requirement at my college too, all apparently dating back to something done by Congressman Morrill, he of the Morrill Tariff.

The Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) was established by the National Defense Act of 1916. Prior to that military training existed on many campuses, due primarily to the Morrill Act or Land Grant Act of July 2, 1862.

My college was a land grant college, and it consequently (up until I was there) maintained a compulsory military training program (since then made voluntary).

1,582 posted on 10/24/2016 6:50:56 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: DiogenesLamp; rustbucket
DiogenesLamp: "The 'tariff' is merely the means by which massive amounts of wealth were channeled to the North.
The actual fight was over the disposition of the trade wealth, which was actually being steered by the tariff or the lack thereof."

The fact is those tariffs protected all manufacturing, North, South or West.

Now compare to this map of US population densities:

So the reason US industry was mostly Northern is that's where the people lived.
Those people would not begin to seriously migrate South until air-conditioning and medicine improved life in hotter climates.

DiogenesLamp: "New York would have acquired devastating losses and competition in the subsequent decades, and New York had the President's ear.
New York was having none of it.
Thus, War."

Pure fantasy since Northern calls for war were not based on economic factors, but on Confederate aggressions against Union properties, officials & troops, especially Fort Sumter.

1,590 posted on 10/25/2016 7:10:25 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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