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To: BroJoeK
You doth protest way too much, all the while offering no arguments - zero, zip, nada arguments - to justify your ludicrous position, FRiend.

I have offered one. It's called "MATH."

When you address that one, i'll take you seriously. The factual and relevant numbers prove the Union was making a fortune off of the Southern Slaves. The numbers prove that it would cause New York and surrounding areas a huge economical upheaval if they were deprived of their monopolistically created money stream.

The evidence indicates the pressured their Agent in the WhiteHouse to start a war which they badly needed, and the evidence indicates he complied.

I'm not going to listen to your "specie" argument. It is nonsense. I am not going to listen to your Pearl Harbor argument. It is nonsense.

The provable facts demonstrate that there was a Huge and Massive economic cost to New York if the Southern States became Independent, and I believe you can always get to the bottom of something by simply following the money.

So you can prattle on about all your irrelevant side issues, but until you come up with something that changes the math, I simply have no interest in reading it or taking it seriously.

1,492 posted on 10/15/2016 2:23:43 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Dude, I got it! You’re channeling Edward A. Pollard!


1,493 posted on 10/15/2016 3:30:58 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: DiogenesLamp; jmacusa; rockrr
DiogenesLamp: "The factual and relevant numbers prove the Union was making a fortune off of the Southern Slaves."

Well, certainly off cotton, whether produced by slaves, freed blacks or Southern whites.
And after the war, when no slaves produced cotton, Northerners continued to transport, store & process it.
So what mattered to them was not slaves, but cotton.

DiogenesLamp: "The numbers prove that it would cause New York and surrounding areas a huge economical upheaval if they were deprived of their monopolistically created money stream."

But there was no "monopoly" before or after Civil War.
The data demonstrates that most Southern exports shipped directly to their customers overseas.
Returning ships brought imports & immigrants to New York because that's where customers & employers were located.
There is no possibility those customers & employers would suddenly rush to backwater cities like Charleston or Savanah after secession.
Instead, New Yorkers would and did adjust, adapt and continue to prosper.

DiogenesLamp: "The evidence indicates the pressured their Agent in the WhiteHouse to start a war which they badly needed, and the evidence indicates he complied."

At this point "spin" turns to total fantasy inside your witless brain.
In fact there's no real evidence of it.

DiogenesLamp: "I'm not going to listen to your "specie" argument.
It is nonsense.
I am not going to listen to your Pearl Harbor argument.
It is nonsense."

That's because your brain is full of sawdust so burning with a Big Lie it has no oxygen left for facts, reason or truth.
You're addicted to nonsense and can't break your habit.

DiogenesLamp: "The provable facts demonstrate that there was a Huge and Massive economic cost to New York if the Southern States became Independent, and I believe you can always get to the bottom of something by simply following the money."

That's because at heart you're a Marxist totally victimized by the US public education system into thinking nothing but economics drives human beings.
It's why we see politically insane liberals blaming Islamic terrorism on Global Warming (!) or on "poverty" when most terrorists are actually quite well off.
But even someone as politically corrupted as DiogenesLamp has not yet devised an economic explanation for the US declaring war on Japan in December 1941, so perhaps in that you can see hints of limitations to your "economics trumps everything" hypotheses.

DiogenesLamp; "So you can prattle on about all your irrelevant side issues, but until you come up with something that changes the math, I simply have no interest in reading it or taking it seriously."

But your real problem is mental sawdust on fire with a Big Lie and no oxygen left for facts, reason or truth.

1,504 posted on 10/16/2016 12:21:13 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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