[DiogenesLamp]

I'm not interested in seeing your explanations for your massaged numbers. Even at your starting point, 1/4 of the American citizens in the South were producing 50% of all revenue, while the 3/4ths of the citizens in the North were only producing 50% of the revenue.

The per Capita value from European Trade for the Southern part of the Union in 1860 (using *YOUR* numbers) was 40, while the Per Capita value from European Trade for the Northern part of the Union was 10.

Even with your numbers, the Southerners were creating 4 times the value in European trade per capita than was the North, which means they were paying effectively four times the costs of the Federal government.

In reality, due to the Northern favored tariff rules, they were paying much more, and even then, much of the money was being used to subsidize Northern ran businesses.

But even with your numbers, the Southerners were producing 4 to 1 more value per capita than the North.

The Union went to war to get back that money they lost when the South declared Independence. The numbers tell the true story of what happened.

All the rest is contrived kabuki dance on the part of Lincoln and the Northern power barons who influenced him to do what the numbers said he must do.

[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "Even at your starting point, 1/4 of the American citizens in the South were producing 50% of all revenue, while the 3/4ths of the citizens in the North were only producing 50% of the revenue."

No, sorry, but it wasn't 1/4 or anywhere near that.
It was 3 million slaves, not considered American citizens who produced that 50% of US exports.

And those three million slaves were owned primarily by around 100,000 slave-holders.
And from the profits of their cotton exports those 100,000 slave-holders imported luxury goods which paid roughly one half of Federal revenues.

So those five million Southern whites contributed virtually nothing!

DiogenesLamp: "The per Capita value from European Trade for the Southern part of the Union in 1860 (using *YOUR* numbers) was 40, while the Per Capita value from European Trade for the Northern part of the Union was 10."

No, the per capita value of Southern white contributions to US exports was almost exactly zero!
Slaves produced those exports, about 100,000 Southern slave-holders took their money and purchased luxury imports, tariffs on which produced about 50% of Federal Revenues

DiogenesLamp: "In reality, due to the Northern favored tariff rules, they were paying much more, and even then, much of the money was being used to subsidize Northern ran businesses. "

Your claim of direct Federal subsidies going to Northern business is not substantiated by any data I've ever seen.
What is known are protective tariffs on imports which allowed US manufacturers -- North and South -- to pay their workers higher wages, or in the case of slave-holders to reap higher profits on their products than would otherwise be the case.

Two key facts to keep in mind on this are:

1. These tariffs protected all manufacturers, North and South, and
2. They were all voted on by Democrat controlled Congresses and Democrat were controlled by Southerners.

DiogenesLamp: "But even with your numbers, the Southerners slaves were producing 4 to 1 more all the value per capita than the North from the South."

There, fixed it for you. Sure, no problem, you're welcome.

DiogenesLamp: "The Union went to The Confederacy started war to get back that money they lost give the Union a bloody nose and teach it a lesson when the South declared Independence.
The numbers tell the true story of what happened."

You're welcome.

DiogenesLamp: "All the rest is contrived kabuki dance on the part of Lincoln and the Northern power barons who influenced him to do what the numbers said he must do DiogenesLamp to obscure and rewrite the real history."

No problem.