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To: PeaRidge
Those are excellent contemporary articles.

You know, I first got interested in the Civil War when my best friend (who happens to be black) was attending College and majoring in History told me that he had just learned that Lincoln had cleverly engineered the start of the war.

He was chortling about it. He was extremely pleased. He said "Lincoln laid a trap and those stupid Confederates fell right into it."

I asked him for details of how he knew this, and he told me that Lincoln had been advised by his military staff of a non confrontational way to resupply the fort, but Lincoln was having none of it.

He said that Lincoln sent a letter to the Confederates informing them that he was going to resupply the fort whether they liked it or not. That he believed this would trigger an attack is apparent in the fact that he had sent a letter to Major Anderson informing him that he would be attacked, and that he should hold the fort for awhile and then surrender.

I later found out that this part was not completely accurate. The letter was from the Secretary of War, (who presumably was doing Lincoln's bidding) Not Lincoln, but the essential facts were accurate.

I thought at the time that this was compelling evidence that Lincoln did indeed trigger a horribly bloody war that cost many lives and destroyed many people's futures.

I thought it was not appropriate to be laughing about Lincoln deliberately starting this war, but I didn't say anything at the time because he had a very "Social Justice Warrior" mindset and simply supported the eventual result of the war.

In any case, it is interesting that at least a couple of Northern Newspapers recognized what was going on. I'm pretty sure Lincoln had them shut down when he started his crackdown on dissident press.

1,396 posted on 10/11/2016 7:56:57 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Maybe this one of the quotes you asked for:

12/3/1860 When Congress convened, several Republicans, especially from the mid-western states, “swore by everything in the Heavens above, and the Earth that they would convert the rebel States into a wilderness.”

I believe that would constitute a threat sufficient to begin to raise an army. “Without a little blood-letting,” wrote Michigan’s radical, coarse-grained Senator Zachariah Chandler, “this Union will not be worth a rush.”

1,397 posted on 10/11/2016 8:29:19 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: DiogenesLamp

If you want a very complete lesson in the activities surrounding Ft. Sumter, I would suggest “Days of Defiance” my Maury Klein.

You are right about Lincoln and his irresponsible manipulations that led to almost three quarters of a million dead people.


1,398 posted on 10/11/2016 8:32:18 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: DiogenesLamp
This may help understanding the extent of Lincoln's perfidy concerning both Ft. Sumter and the Pensacola harbor facilities:

In his inaugural address, Lincoln had stated that, “The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the government.”

The Confederate Commissioners had pressed to meet Lincoln and to arrange a peacefully negotiated settlement for the forts in the South still held by Union troops, Ft Pickens and Ft Sumter.

When consulted regarding the disposition of Ft. Sumter, all of Lincoln’s cabinet officers, except the post-master, were against any re-supply. They all knew it would inaugurate war.

Lincoln was advised to withdraw the federal troops from the two forts, which would be a concession in the interest of peace. This would allow the American people the opportunity to negotiate a settlement in the spirit of the Constitution.

Operating against the advice of his cabinet, military leaders, and the commanding officer at Ft. Sumter who stated that re-supply would bring war, Lincoln commanded that a secret fleet be organized and sent to both South Carolina and Florida.

Even before the fleet left port, the newspapers and public became aware of the pending Naval action. It was widely seen as a dangerous, provocative action that would initiate war.

Few of the records reveal the extent of Lincoln’s involvement in provocation. Documents of the day reveal his complicity.

March 28, 1861 was the day that the current Congress adjourned.

The very next day, Lincoln began to initiate plans to coerce the states of the Confederacy.

Lincoln did not fail to obtain Congressional approval because Congress was not in session, he waited until Congress adjourned and commenced to initiate a war.

March 29, 1861
To the Secretary of the Navy

I desire that an expedition, to move by sea be go ready to sail as early as the 6th of April next, the whole according to memorandum attached: and that you co-operate with the Secretary of War for that object.

Signed: Abraham Lincoln

The memorandum attached called for:

From the Navy, three ships of war, the Pocahontas, the Pawnee and the Harriet Lane; and 300 seamen, and one month's stores.

From the War Department, 200 men, ready to leave garrison; and one year's stores.

April 1, 1861 by General Scott
April 2, 1861 approved by Abraham Lincoln
To: Brevet Colonel Harvey Brown, U.S. Army

You have been designated to take command of an expedition to reinforce and hold Fort Pickens in the harbor of Pensacola. You will proceed to New York where steam transportation for four companies will be engaged; — and putting on board such supplies as you can ship without delay proceed at once to your destination. The object and destination of this expedition will be communicated to no one to whom it is not already known.

Signed: Winfield Scott
Signed approved: Abraham Lincoln

April 4, 1861
To: Lieut. Col. H.L. Scott, Aide de Camp

This will be handed to you by Captain G.V. Fox, an ex-officer of the Navy. He is charged by authority here, with the command of an expedition (under cover of certain ships of war) whose object is, to reinforce Fort Sumter.

To embark with Captain Fox, you will cause a detachment of recruits, say about 200, to be immediately organized at fort Columbus, with competent number of officers, arms, ammunition, and subsistence, with other necessaries needed for the augmented garrison at Fort Sumter.

Signed: Winfield Scott

April 1, 1861
To Captain H.A. Adams
Commanding Naval Forces off Pensacola

Herewith I send you a copy of an order received by me last night. You will see by it that I am directed to land my command at the earliest opportunity. I have therefore to request that you will place at my disposal such boats and other means as will enable me to carry into effect the enclosed order.

Signed: I. Vogdes, Capt. 1st Artly. Comdg.

Captain Adams refused to obey the order and reported to the Secretary of the Navy as follows:

It would be considered not only a declaration but an act of war; and would be resisted to the utmost.

Both sides are faithfully observing the agreement (armistice) entered into by the United States Government and Mr. Mallory and Colonel Chase, which binds us not to reinforce Fort Pickens unless it shall be attacked or threatened. It binds them not to attack it unless we should attempt to reinforce it.

The Secretary of the Navy issued a classified response to Capt. Adams:

April 6, 1861

Your dispatch of April 1st is received. The Department regrets that you did not comply with the request of Capt. Vogdes. You will immediately on the first favorable opportunity after receipt of this order, afford every facility to Capt. Vogdes to enable him to land the troops under his command, it being the wish and intention of the Navy Department to co-operate with the War Department, in that object.

Signed: Gideon Welles, Secty. of the Navy

April 11, 1861 (USS Supply, official ship's log)

“April 11th at 9 P.M. the Brooklyn got under way and stood in toward the harbor; and during the night landed troops and marines on board, to reinforce Fort Pickens.”

April 1, 1861 To: Lt. D.D. Porter, USN

You will proceed to New York and with least possible delay assume command of any steamer available.

Proceed to Pensacola Harbor, and, at any cost or risk, prevent any expedition from the main land reaching Fort Pickens, or Santa Rosa.

You will exhibit this order to any Naval Officer at Pensacola, if you deem it necessary, after you have established yourself within the harbor.

This order, its object, and your destination will be communicated to no person whatever, until you reach the harbor of Pensacola.

Signed: Abraham Lincoln
Recommended signed: Wm. H. Seward

April 1, 1861
Telegram
To: Commandant, Brooklyn Navy Yard

Fit out Powhatan to go to sea at the earliest possible moment, under sealed orders. Orders by confidential messenger go forward tomorrow.

Signed: Abraham Lincoln

April 1, 1861
To: Commandant, Brooklyn Navy Yard

You will fit out the Powhatan without delay. Lieutenant Porter will relieve Captain Mercer in command of her. She is bound on secret service; and you will under no circumstances communicate to the Navy Department the fact that she is fitting out.

Signed: Abraham Lincoln

The Secretary of the Navy was unaware that President Lincoln had relieved Captain Mercer and was “borrowing” the Powhatan. It was a real secret mission.

April 1, 1861
Telegram
To: Commandant, Brooklyn Navy Yard

Fit out Powhatan to go to sea at earliest possible moment.

April 5, 1861
To: Captain Mercer, Commanding Officer, USS Powhatan

The U.S. Steamers, Powhatan, Pawnee, Pocahontas, and Harriet Lane, will compose a naval force under your command, to be sent to the vicinity of Charleston, S.C., for the purpose of aiding in carrying out the object of an expedition of which the war Department has charge. The expedition has been intrusted to Captain G.V. Fox.

You will leave New York with the Powhatan in time to be off Charleston bar, 10 miles distant from and due east of the light house on the morning of the 11th instant, there to await the arrival of the transports with troops and stores. The Pawnee and Pocahontas will be ordered to join you there, at the time mentioned, and also the Harriet Lane, etc.

Signed: Gideon Welles, Secretary of the Navy

April 6, 1861

Lt. Porter took the Powhatan and sailed.

Seward sent a telegram to Porter: “Give the Powhatan up to Captain Mercer.”

A dispatch boat caught up with Powhatan and delivered Seward's message.

Lt. Porter responded to Seward: “I received my orders from the President, and shall proceed and execute them.

Before leaving, Lt. Porter instructed the Navy Yard officials, “Detain all letters for five days.”

Storms and boiler problems delayed Powhatan, but she arrived disguised and flying English colors.

Porter filed this report:

I had disguised the ship, so that she deceived those who had known her, and was standing in (unnoticed), when the Wyandotte commenced making signals, which I did not answer, but stood on.

The steamer then put herself in my way and Captain Meigs, who was aboard, hailed me and I stopped.

In twenty minutes more I should have been inside (Pensacola harbor) or sunk.

Signed: D.D. Porter

In view of the communications documented in the Official Records, not only were US Naval and Army officers acting secretly, one Federal ship had been disguised as a foreign vessel.

APRIL 3, 1861.

Honorable WM. H. SEWARD, Secretary of State:

Dear Sir: We expect to touch at Key West, and will be able to set things in order there and give the first check to the secession movement by firmly establishing the authority of the United States in that most ungrateful island and city. Thence we propose to send dispatches under cover to you.

The officers will write to their friends, understanding that the package will not be broken until after the public has notice through the newspapers of our success or defeat.

Our object is yet unknown on board, and if I read the papers of the eve of our departure aright our secret is still a secret in New York. No communication with the shore, however, will be allowed.

Your dispatch arrived as I was on my away to the Atlantic, just before the hour at which she was to sail, and two or three hours after that appointed for the Powhatan. When the arrow has sped from the bow it may glance aside, but who shall reclaim it before its flight is finished?

A violent gale compelled us to lay head to wind for twenty-four hours. We ran one hundred miles out of our course. The Powhatan having taken this gale earlier may have got through it with less delay, so that it is not now likely that we will overtake her. She had orders to call off Key West, and by boat or signal ascertain whether we had passed. It is important that she should reach the port before us.

The dispatch and the secrecy with which this expedition has been fitted out will strike terror into the ranks of rebellion. All New York saw, all the United States knew, that the Atlantic was filling with stores and troops.

But now this nameless vessel, her name is painted out, speeds out of the track of commerce to an unknown destination. Mysterious, unseen, where will the powerful bolt fall? What thousands of men, spending the means of the Confederate States, vainly beat the air amid the swamps of the southern coast, and, filling the dank forts, curse secession and the mosquitoes!

God promised to send before his chosen people and advance-guard of hornets. Our constant allies are the more efficient mosquitoes and sand-flies. At this time the republic has need of all her sons, of all their knowledge, zeal, and courage.

Major Hunt is with us, somewhat depressed at going into the field without his horses. His battery of Napoleon guns, probably the best field guns in our service, is to follow in the Illinois; but the traitor Twiggs surrendered his horses to the rebels of Texas, and the company of well-trained artillerists finds itself, after eight years of practice in that highest and most efficient arm, the light artillery, going into active service as footmen. They, too, feel, the change deeply.

I am, most respectfully, your obedient servant,

M. C. MEIGS,

Captain of Engineers.

1,401 posted on 10/11/2016 8:42:26 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: DiogenesLamp; PeaRidge
DiogenesLamp: "...he told me that Lincoln had been advised by his military staff of a non confrontational way to resupply the fort, but Lincoln was having none of it.
He said that Lincoln sent a letter to the Confederates informing them that he was going to resupply the fort whether they liked it or not."

Sounds like pro-Confederate mythology to me.

In fact, South Carolina Governor Pickens began demanding surrender, eventually threatening violence in December 1860.
So by April 1861, Major Anderson had been under threat from SC forces for four months.
Outgoing Democrat President Buchanan had already tried, in January, to resupply Fort Sumter but that ship was fired on and fled.
In the mean time both President Buchanan and Major Anderson refused Confederate demands for surrender.

But without resupply, Anderson could not hold out past April, and so Lincoln must either order a resupply mission or surrender Fort Sumter.
After much thought, Lincoln finally chose resupply, it's that simple.

Of course Jefferson Davis would have none of it, so ordered a military assault on Union troops in Fort Sumter, thus launching Civil War.

All the rest of your revisionism is just cockamamie nonsense that must make you feel better, but has nothing to do with real history.

1,425 posted on 10/12/2016 10:49:27 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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