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To: DiogenesLamp; PeaRidge; jmacusa; rockrr
DiogenesLamp: "The truth was economic, but that sounds unethical, and so they had to find a substitute truth to make them feel good about invading and murdering people.
They knew they had to invade and murder people to rescue their economics, but this wouldn't play in the moral society that existed then, so they had to rationalize other 'moral' explanations for why they were invading and murdering people.
Initially they advanced 'to preserve the Union', but that really wasn't a very morally compelling cause, so they had to up the hyperbole and claim they were doing it for the slaves. (18 months after the war had started.)"

Sorry, but slavery certainly was the stated reason given by Deep South Fire Eaters for declaring secession and forming their own Confederacy.

Later, slavery certainly was not the reason Jefferson Davis ordered war to begin against the United States on April 12, 1861, nor was it the reason the Confederacy formally declared war on May 6, 1861.

Nor was slavery the reason President Lincoln called for troops to put down the rebellion on April 15, 1861.
Indeed, on nearly any date before April 9, 1865 the Confederacy could have asked for peace and either preserved slavery itself or received compensation for their freed slaves.
And so protecting slavery remained a major issue for Confederates.

For the Union abolishing slavery eventually became the test of victory and one reason they could accept nothing short of Unconditional Surrender.

Of course, you guys know all this perfectly well.
You simply refuse to say it truthfully.

1,376 posted on 10/10/2016 12:32:29 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
Sorry, but slavery certainly was the stated reason given by Deep South Fire Eaters for declaring secession and forming their own Confederacy.

The reasons why the South left are irrelevant to why there was a war. There was a war because the Union invaded them, and that invasion had not a D@mn thing to do with Slavery.

Your side keeps dragging up slavery as a justification for the war, but you keep ignoring the fact that in order for it to be a justification for sending 35,000 men to invade, the invasion had to have something to do with slavery.

It didn't.

1,377 posted on 10/10/2016 12:45:18 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: BroJoeK

Well, the South certainly didn’t go to war to free the slaves. They sure seemed bound and determined to preserve slavery. Their constitution made that clear.


1,379 posted on 10/10/2016 12:51:54 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: BroJoeK
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

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. "Pay no attention to that pile of coins sitting on New York."


1,380 posted on 10/10/2016 12:53:32 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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