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To: PeaRidge
Why not pay attention to what they were saying instead of what you would like to think they should have said?

Are you that biased?

Unfortunately yes. They do not want to believe what we are telling them. It upheaves their entire moral outlook on the war, and the role their ancestors played in it.

Unfortunately the evidence indicates it is the truth. The Union invasion of the South was not about "preserving the Union" it was about preserving protectionist trade policies for the Northern States. It was about preserving the dominance of New York in the wealth and power.

I have come to realize that if people look around, the descendants of these people and their elite social groups are still doing the exact same thing today. Their power has simply gotten stronger since 1861.

The liberal dominance of the media is a prime example of what I am talking about. Liberal media financially benefits those businesses in collusion with the government in terms of siphoning dollars out of the taxpayers.

Ever wonder why any sane American would be opposed to cutting spending and balancing the budget? The entire Media was against it going all the way back to 1980. They have *ALWAYS* been opposed to reducing spending. Why? Because the people holding their leash get rich off of government spending, just as their predecessors got rich off of Union protectionist policies which heavily favored New York.

Same enemy, different century.

1,331 posted on 10/06/2016 9:26:27 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; PeaRidge; DoodleDawg; jmacusa
DiogenesLamp: "Unfortunately yes.
They do not want to believe what we are telling them.
It upheaves their entire moral outlook on the war, and the role their ancestors played in it.
Unfortunately the evidence indicates it is the truth.
The Union invasion of the South was not about 'preserving the Union' it was about preserving protectionist trade policies for the Northern States.
It was about preserving the dominance of New York in the wealth and power."

Unfortunately the evidence indicates that our Lost Causers are totally delusional, concocting cockamamie Marxist nonsense out of thin air, when real facts won't suit them.

In this particular case the reality was a Union responding to Confederate rebellion, invasion and war against the United States, but that doesn't suit Lost Causers' fantasies.
So they concoct total nonsense about some amorphous Northeastern business interests somehow ginning up a war where none existed.
In reality these Northeastern businessmen were Democrats, political allies to Southern slaveocrats, and so of no influence on Republicans in Washington.
Yes, when war came most did support it, for whatever reasons, but many copperheads remained sympathetic to the Confederacy.

DiogenesLamp: "I have come to realize that if people look around, the descendants of these people and their elite social groups are still doing the exact same thing today.
Their power has simply gotten stronger since 1861. "

Remember, we're talking about Democrats here -- the people thrown out of power by the election of 1860 and replaced by the anti-establishment people of their age, Republicans.
So, if you see today's Democrats in power in Washington or New York abusing the constitution and average citizens generally, they are not to be confused with the out-of-power political rebels (Republicans) of 1860, or indeed of 2016.

DiogenesLamp: "...just as their predecessors got rich off of Union protectionist policies which heavily favored New York.
Same enemy, different century."

Same enemy = Democrats!
Northern Democrats political allies to Southern slaveocrats, had a falling out in 1860 due to Republican electoral victory, but soon came back together again after the Civil War.
Today of course those old South slaveocrats are gone, so now Northern Democrats ally with the next best thing (and really much better allies than those old-fogey white men) -- the descendants of their slaves.

1,391 posted on 10/11/2016 5:16:36 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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