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To: DoodleDawg
And I submit that what you are overlooking as well is the fact that that cotton still had to get to market somehow. There was no domestic Confederate shipping industry to take up the slack so why is there any reason to believe that Northern shippers would not continue to provide transportation?

You aren't keeping up with the information being provided in this thread. The only reason domestic shipping was competitive at all was because of the Navigation act of 1817 which put heavy penalties on the use of Foreign ships or crew. With independence, that statute disappears and instantly makes foreign ships and crew a relative bargain.

The Domestic shipping market had priced it's services at rates just below what it would cost to hire a foreign ship and crew with the penalties. The South was saving a little bit of money by using US Shipping, but they would save far more by using foreign ships at non protectionist rates.

This would of course, instantly screw the us Shipping industry which had grown accustomed to all those gouged prices since 1817.

With the South as part of the Union, the Shipping industry had jobs. With the South independent, all those jobs evaporated. Might as well join the army and go kill Southerners.

1,330 posted on 10/06/2016 9:17:22 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; DoodleDawg; PeaRidge
DiogenesLamp: "You aren't keeping up with the information being provided in this thread.
The only reason domestic shipping was competitive at all was because of the Navigation act of 1817 which put heavy penalties on the use of Foreign ships or crew.
With independence, that statute disappears and instantly makes foreign ships and crew a relative bargain."

We should note that it has taken DiogenesLamp several posts to even begin getting his history right on this.
But he's still not quite there.
In fact the 1817 Navigation Act taxed only transportation of goods between US ports.
Foreign shippers could still carry goods to or from, say, New York and overseas markets.
The Navigation Act of 1817 made intracoastal packets all US owned -- no not Northern owned, US owned.

Nothing prevented Southerners from major ports like New Orleans, Baltimore or even the smaller Charleston from building, owning or operating their own packets.
And there's no reason to suppose they didn't.

DiogenesLamp: "The South was saving a little bit of money by using US Shipping, but they would save far more by using foreign ships at non protectionist rates.
This would of course, instantly screw the us Shipping industry which had grown accustomed to all those gouged prices since 1817."

Remember, we're only talking about intracoastal packet ships here, not transatlantic freighters.
No law stopped larger foreign ships from picking up cargoes in New Orleans, Baltimore or New York for transportation to overseas markets.

And that makes your economic hypotheses a lot of stuff & nonsense, FRiend.

Intracoastal packet, SS Planter, built in Charleston SC, 1860, loaded with 1,000 bales of cotton.
The US cotton crop in 1860 was approx. 5 million bales worth just under $200 million.

1,390 posted on 10/11/2016 4:51:44 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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