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To: Moonman62; ml/nj; Roccus; gaijin; batterycommander; CodeToad; Doogle; bobby.223; VTenigma; GBA; ...
According to the NTSB the cargo shift occurred at rotation. The aircraft did fly and gain altitude until it stalled. Swordmaker claimed an unbalanced aircraft with a rearward shift in the center of gravity can’t fly or gain altitude. I offered the video as a counterexample.

No. Did you even read the NTSB report in its entirety? I did. That accident was a complex cause accident which also involved the destruction of the hydraulic controls to the rear control surfaces which prevented the pilots from gaining control of the aircraft. The event initiated when the aircraft started its take off climb under full power to the engines and was only 33 feet off the ground, when one or more of the very heavy military vehicles it was carrying broke free and shifted to the rear of the cargo bay breaking the rear bulkhead, and along with it the hydraulic lines and data cables to the 'black box" data recorders. Even so, it was still under lift for a VERY short time before stalling because they had power to their engines (I was wrong, the recording from the windshield camera did pick up a faint engine sound under enhancement according to the NTSB report).

The entire flight, according to the NTSB record, from time the wheels left the ground through stall, and crash was a mere 33 seconds. From what I have been able to learn about that take off, it is quite normal for planes to use a very quick, steep take off after roll out from Bagram due to the very real threat of ground-to-air missiles. What was shown was a normal Bagram climb out take off until the initiating event and an almost instantaneous stall condition as the plane lost pitch. proper angle of attack, and hence lift. After the aircraft stalled, it did not fly. If fell like a rock. No lift occurred at all.

245 posted on 06/24/2016 1:14:16 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: Swordmaker

You still have no evidence of a timeline of the weight and balance shift, no one can know that not even the NTSB. At what point did the weight shift overcome the ability of the wing to provide lift and the stall occur? No on can precisely tell, no one knows how the weight shift occurred in relation to time. I’m done with this discussion.


248 posted on 06/24/2016 1:24:33 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Swordmaker

If you read the entire NTSB report then you would know that the plane could have kept flying normally if they they hadn’t lost pitch control due to the hydraulic damage.

In other words, the aircraft would have been capable of flight in spite of a large shift in the center of gravity to the rear. That was my original point.


256 posted on 06/24/2016 2:19:03 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Swordmaker

I think Pierre Salinger prolly had some good contacts in the Navy who told him the Navy was responsible. Thomas Moorer was one of them. Pierre served in the Navy in WWII.


281 posted on 06/24/2016 9:31:15 PM PDT by batterycommander (Surrounded? Relax and call for artillery.)
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