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To: cpdiii
Thanks for that info but I assure it did not climb after exploding.

My calculations show that, after the engines when to idle, the most it could have climbed using every bit of upward momentum it had was about ten feet more for 1.02 seconds. The 33 feet per second of previous climb it had be over come very quickly as it lost lift when the angle of attack changed drastically as the center of gravity was moved backwards almost 12 feet behind the center of lift, then the drag coefficient was increased massively. The force of gravity of 32 feet per second/per second would rapidly eliminate the 33 feet per second climb, making it ZERO in just about that one second as the lift was eliminated which would counter the force of gravity pulling with a downward vector. If there is any lift, the angle of its vector is probably toward the back as the plane is pitched upwards, which would add to the pitching. The vector of the velocity of the air (wind) and the vacuum of the drag is also going to be countering the air speed, but forcing the plane into a stall. There IS NO UPWARD LIFT from the airfoils of the wing and the engines are producing NO THRUST. Ergo, the only rational conclusion is there can be no zoom climb for this aircraft at all.

The only source of any energy to convert to altitude would be the aircraft's forward momentum. . . but that would require ALL of it to gain the altitude the CIA says it gained. It would have ZERO forward motion at the peak of altitude and we know it did not. Ergo, it did not get it there, so it did not gain altitude since the aircraft wound up where it would have had it not gained any altitude at all. Unless we repeal the law of conservation of energy, which Liberals are always willing to do, or God reached down and dragged it up to 17,600 in 18 seconds, or whatever additional altitude, it didn't gain altitude.

138 posted on 06/21/2016 9:16:35 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: Swordmaker
I understand how a fully intact B747 can trade speed for altitude, but one missing everything ahead of the wing presents more of a problem.

The a/c's resulting pitch up and stall after losing that much forward mass would likely be as violent as the explosion that caused it to lose its nose.

But, would its wings' lift trade the remaining a/c's speed for altitude during that destruction?

Sure. Possibly so, however briefly, depending...

I think instantaneous climb prior to/during destruction would be the initial response of what was still intact, however briefly, if that official version of the story is true.

However, after re-viewing the National Air Cargo B747's CG shift, stall and crash at Bagram Airfield video, I think the official TWA 800 story and accompanying video are BS.

No way would the initial climb of the remaining a/c explain what multiple witnesses from multiple vantage points saw.

145 posted on 06/23/2016 12:07:10 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Swordmaker

My calculations show that, after the engines when to idle, the most it could have climbed using every bit of upward momentum it had was about ten feet more for 1.02 seconds. The 33 feet per second of previous climb it had be over come very quickly as it lost lift when the angle of attack changed drastically as the center of gravity was moved backwards almost 12 feet behind the center of lift, then the drag coefficient was increased massively.

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In your calculations how did you account for the loss of 80,000 pounds when the nose section separated? How did that affect lift and stall speed?


149 posted on 06/23/2016 2:59:34 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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