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It is truly a monumental task to educate, dare I even say, re-educate, a person who has, no doubt, gone to all the right schools, got all the right credentials, enjoys a position of influence, and yet is so utterly wrong in her understanding. She claims in the title that she is going to compare Christianity to Islam, and then proceeds only to talk about the actions of people either she identifies or who self-identify as Christian and the actions of those who she identifies or who self-identify as Islamic. What she fails to do is examine what exactly the New Testament teaches about the nature of Christianity and what exactly the Koran teaches about the nature of Islam. So, about all she has managed to do is assemble the usual examples - read: BAD - of those who have claimed to carry out the precepts of Christianity as they understood them.
1 posted on 06/16/2016 9:32:42 AM PDT by Belteshazzar
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I have been to many churches of many different denominations. I have been to church nearly every Sunday for over fifty years. I have yet to hear a sermon advocating violence or prescribing violence as being the will of God.


54 posted on 06/16/2016 10:29:54 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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I see frequent reference to the New Testament in the replies here, but how do we reconcile the Old Testament, which clearly condones violence against non-believers. Do we say Christians have evolved and only abide by the New Testament? Is there a level of hypocrisy going on here?


55 posted on 06/16/2016 10:40:31 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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We, as Americans, might look back at the nation's beginnings in order to discover how the philosophy of the Founders influenced the beginnings of an idea that brought about more freedom, opportunity, creativity, and goods and services for more people than had occurred in all of prior history.

As to the role of Christianity in that founding, we might remember that the same Jefferson who believed that each individual should use reason to question even the existence of God, also penned our Declaration of Independence which, he wrote, reflected "the American mind" of the time and included references to a Supreme Being in four distinct manifestations--as “Creator” and source of rights; as “Divine Providence”; as “Supreme Judge of the world”; and as the “Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God.”.

In others of Jefferson's writings, he asserted that Jesus "preached philanthropy and universal charity and benevolence," that "a system of morals is presented to us [by Jesus], which, if filled up in the style and spirit of the rich fragments he left us, would be the most perfect and sublime that has ever been taught by man."

He wrote, "His (Jesus's) moral doctrines...were more pure and perfect than those of the most correct of the philosophers...and they went far beyond both in inculcating universal philanthropy, not only to kindred and friends, to neighbors and countrymen, but to all mankind, gathering all into one family, under the bonds of love, charity, peace, common wants, and common aids," which, Jefferson said, "will evince the peculiar superiority of the system of Jesus over all others."

Comparing the Hebrew code which, according to Jefferson, "laid hold of actions only," "He [Jesus] pushed his scrutinies into the heart of man; erected his tribunal in the region of his thoughts, and purified the waters at the fountain head."

That Jefferson cut out the statements which he believed to be directly attributable to Jesus, pasted them into a little book which he kept by his bed and, by his family's words, read from them daily, might lead one to conclude that his political philosphy probably was influenced by what he considered to be the superiority of the "philosophy" of Jesus.

Jefferson's talents and abilities were legend. His devotion to individual liberty and to the ideas essential to liberty were based on simple principles, some of which, undoubtedly, came from his understanding of the basic law underlying all valid human law: do unto others as you would have them do unto you," which is an individual response to the challenge of Jesus.

Perhaps Jefferson understood that the philosophy capsulated in that idea has the power to make people in a society more individually benevolent, more loving, more caring, and more willing to take care of each other.

There is a sharp contrast between a philosophy of love and the politics which seem to motivate the radical Left which now spouts its coercive policies in our partisan politics.

Likewise, there is a sharp contrast between a philosophy which calls for individually motivated charity and benevolence and one which requires that some individuals claim some superior right to coercively take the hard earned wages of other individuals in order to "redistribute" to others of their choosing, in the name of the Gospel of Jesus.

One idea allows individual liberty: the other idea demands coercive enforcers who use the idea of "benevolence" to buy votes which allow them power over others.

What Burke, in his Speech on Conciliation..." 1775, called the colonists' "fierce spirit of liberty" is still alive in the hearts of many citizens and some still "augur misgovernment at a distance and sniff the approach of tyranny in every tainted breeze." And, just as he observed then, their religion, "under a variety of denominations agreeing in nothing but in the communion of the spirit of liberty" underlies their devotion to freedom.

Politicians promising goodies and buying votes in exchange for power over other people's lives is popular political sport. Such sport should not, however, be associated nor confused with the philosophy of Jesus, however.

56 posted on 06/16/2016 10:59:23 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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One major problem with Islam is that it is approximately 700 years behind Christianity in its evolution toward modernity. Even within Christendom, the last major war of religion ended as recently as 1648 (Thirty Years War). Unless the pace of cultural evolution within Islam increases unexpectedly, it will be centuries before Islam is ready to leave the Middle Ages, enter the modern world, and adopt peaceful standards of behavior.


57 posted on 06/16/2016 11:00:45 AM PDT by FJB
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She needs to name the last terrorist attack done “in the name of Jesus”.


59 posted on 06/16/2016 11:06:22 AM PDT by HollyB
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Yes. Those Christians who iniate violence against the innocent are disobedient to Christ’s teachings.

Those Muslims who initiate violence against the innocent are obeying Mohamed’s teachings.

Christians resort to violence only in defense of self or others.

Muslims commit violence as Jihad.


61 posted on 06/16/2016 11:16:22 AM PDT by amihow (l)
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It’s amazing how every time a Muzzy commits terror, liberals think it’s a great time to spew hate towards Christians.


65 posted on 06/16/2016 11:38:38 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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67 posted on 06/16/2016 11:54:35 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The barbarians are inside because there are no gates)
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Christianity “outgrew” violence long ago, except in a few pockets in Africa.

It persisted in Ireland until the end of last century, but that’s over.


69 posted on 06/16/2016 11:58:37 AM PDT by justlurking
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The number one most violent religion responsible for most and all major wars and genocides is godless atheism. Islam is number two, all other religions are not even close to these two.

Remember Satan is the god of all people other than faithful Christians and Jews.


72 posted on 06/16/2016 12:24:29 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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It is zero-sum: Either guns kill people or radical Islam kills people.

Say what?

75 posted on 06/16/2016 7:58:02 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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Check out this website: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims

As indicated, notable non-Muslims comment on Islam.

Worth spending some time there; for example:

“William Ewart Gladstone

“William Ewart Gladstone (1809 – 1898) was a British Liberal statesman. He served as Prime Minister four separate times (1868–1874, 1880–1885, February–July 1886 and 1892–1894), more than any other person.

“Qur’an… an accursed book… So long as there is this book there will be no peace in the world.”


76 posted on 06/17/2016 5:50:25 AM PDT by Taxman ((H. L. Mencken correctly observed: Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man.))
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Below is a globalist snowflake that were she to ever visit an Islamic state would be raped and then stoned to death for having sex outside of marriage.


77 posted on 06/17/2016 5:57:23 AM PDT by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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Julia Ioffe, Author. Liar. Professional Propagandist:

"Speaking after 'appreciating the congrats' on the Orlando shootings...."

BUZZZZZZZZZ----> Shameless Lie just 9 entire words into the rest of the lying meme. No need to read beyond.

87 posted on 06/17/2016 12:48:32 PM PDT by HangUpNow
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Religion, any religion, is a matter of interpretation,

"Kill the infidel wherever you find them" isn't open to interpretation, and neither are the 108 other koranic verses promoting violence against nonbelievers.

90 posted on 06/17/2016 1:38:23 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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