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If Islam is a Religion of Violence, so is Christianity
Foreign Policy, the Global Magazine of News and Ideas ^ | June 14, 2016 | Julia Ioffe

Posted on 06/16/2016 9:32:42 AM PDT by Belteshazzar

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To: Belteshazzar

Yes, because fundamentalist Christian terrorist bombings, suicide bomber attacks, and vicious Christian terrorist groups killing non-Christians, are just reeking havoc in the middle east, and the world today......


41 posted on 06/16/2016 10:06:45 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Belteshazzar

I read this and said the same thing you did. How does one educate anyone on understanding what the Bible says and the transformation that happened after the Cross and after Saul became Paul. The New Testament and the Old Testament gets combined/confused/misread by those who want to find criticism in what a Christian believes... and to excuse all the other “religions” that are not actually religions as we speak of Christianity.

It’s an argument for those who do not want to understand... for “man believes what man wants to be true”. The left and most of the world HATE Christians... for they are different in ways that they can’t tolerate. obama brings in “refugees” that are NOT Christian. The disdain for a Christian is about as strong as it was for those who crucified Jesus. They could not stand someone who could perform miracles, when they could not. They could not stand for a man to say He was The Christ. They were the kings and the high priests.. how dare this man say he was the King of Kings.

The hatred is coming from the left.. from non Christians ... you won’t find Christians in riots, or attacking innocent people.

And .... Someone isn’t a Christian by just saying he is.. and that is in those lefty arguments.. it doesn’t hold water though. A Christian is a follower and doer of Jesus Christ.


42 posted on 06/16/2016 10:07:23 AM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: Belteshazzar; Biggirl; E. Pluribus Unum; The_Media_never_lie; G Larry; Lurkinanloomin; ...
Are Judaism and Christianity as Violent as Islam?
by Raymond Ibrahim
Middle East Quarterly | Summer 2009

43 posted on 06/16/2016 10:08:16 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We can't fix a rigged system by relying on the people who rigged it." --Donald Trump, 6/7/16)
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To: Belteshazzar

Nonsense


44 posted on 06/16/2016 10:09:52 AM PDT by Ray76 (The evil effect of Obergefell is to deprive the people of rule of law & subject us to tyranny!)
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To: Belteshazzar

It’s not a religion. It’s a political system. “Kill all the Christians and Jews”, “Submit or Die”....”World Domination”.


45 posted on 06/16/2016 10:12:21 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Belteshazzar

Christianity went through it’s reformation and shed its violence.

Christianity is *not* a violent religion, but it will eventually defend itself.


46 posted on 06/16/2016 10:14:53 AM PDT by Fhios (The U.S needs Hillary like a fish needs a bicycle.)
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To: Belteshazzar
Julia is Russian Jew who fled to this country.

To me she is a perfect candidate to move to Israel and join those dumb naive Jews who want to get along with Muslims who have a 1400 year history of singling out Jews for killing.

I have read the Christian New Testament twice cover to cover an also read the Muslim Koran and Hadiths (Bukhari version)

I am neither a Muslim or a Christian, but to me there is no comparison to violence between those two religions.

In the Koran and Hadiths Islam resorts to approved violence to get the Muslim message across, .
Christians are not encouraged in the New Testament to do violence to spread Christianity. -Tom

47 posted on 06/16/2016 10:15:50 AM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: Belteshazzar

Christians spent three centuries being hunted down and killed by Roman and other pagan persecutors. They engaged in prayer, charity, and good works while countless martyrs came from their ranks.

Muslims hit the ground running from the start, slaying everyone they encountered and gobbling up territory. A militaristic excuse for a religion, and it’s been that way for 1,400 years.

The author is full of it. She badly needs a refresher course in 7th-grade world history.


48 posted on 06/16/2016 10:17:18 AM PDT by Deo volente (They want to eradicate us, and will never stop. We need to eradicate them first.)
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To: Belteshazzar

April 627 Mohamed directed the massacre of the Jewish tribes in Medina who would not covert to Islam. The women and children were taken as slaves. Mohammad took one Jewish woman as his sex slave.

Please provide even a example where Jesus Christ directed his followers to murder non believers.


49 posted on 06/16/2016 10:19:03 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: Belteshazzar

The author would be property in the muslim world and her voice would be silenced.


50 posted on 06/16/2016 10:19:10 AM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: Belteshazzar

How many Christians have lopped off heads lately?


51 posted on 06/16/2016 10:20:09 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves. Socialism is governmental theft!)
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To: Belteshazzar

The author is insane.

Jesus: Love your enemies, pray for your persecutors, do good to those who maltreat you.

Mohammed: Slay the infidel wherever you find him.


52 posted on 06/16/2016 10:21:12 AM PDT by NorthMountain (A plague o' both your houses.)
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To: ntnychik

FP is owned by the Washington Post. Is any more information necessary?


53 posted on 06/16/2016 10:22:07 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Belteshazzar

I have been to many churches of many different denominations. I have been to church nearly every Sunday for over fifty years. I have yet to hear a sermon advocating violence or prescribing violence as being the will of God.


54 posted on 06/16/2016 10:29:54 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: Belteshazzar

I see frequent reference to the New Testament in the replies here, but how do we reconcile the Old Testament, which clearly condones violence against non-believers. Do we say Christians have evolved and only abide by the New Testament? Is there a level of hypocrisy going on here?


55 posted on 06/16/2016 10:40:31 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: Belteshazzar
We, as Americans, might look back at the nation's beginnings in order to discover how the philosophy of the Founders influenced the beginnings of an idea that brought about more freedom, opportunity, creativity, and goods and services for more people than had occurred in all of prior history.

As to the role of Christianity in that founding, we might remember that the same Jefferson who believed that each individual should use reason to question even the existence of God, also penned our Declaration of Independence which, he wrote, reflected "the American mind" of the time and included references to a Supreme Being in four distinct manifestations--as “Creator” and source of rights; as “Divine Providence”; as “Supreme Judge of the world”; and as the “Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God.”.

In others of Jefferson's writings, he asserted that Jesus "preached philanthropy and universal charity and benevolence," that "a system of morals is presented to us [by Jesus], which, if filled up in the style and spirit of the rich fragments he left us, would be the most perfect and sublime that has ever been taught by man."

He wrote, "His (Jesus's) moral doctrines...were more pure and perfect than those of the most correct of the philosophers...and they went far beyond both in inculcating universal philanthropy, not only to kindred and friends, to neighbors and countrymen, but to all mankind, gathering all into one family, under the bonds of love, charity, peace, common wants, and common aids," which, Jefferson said, "will evince the peculiar superiority of the system of Jesus over all others."

Comparing the Hebrew code which, according to Jefferson, "laid hold of actions only," "He [Jesus] pushed his scrutinies into the heart of man; erected his tribunal in the region of his thoughts, and purified the waters at the fountain head."

That Jefferson cut out the statements which he believed to be directly attributable to Jesus, pasted them into a little book which he kept by his bed and, by his family's words, read from them daily, might lead one to conclude that his political philosphy probably was influenced by what he considered to be the superiority of the "philosophy" of Jesus.

Jefferson's talents and abilities were legend. His devotion to individual liberty and to the ideas essential to liberty were based on simple principles, some of which, undoubtedly, came from his understanding of the basic law underlying all valid human law: do unto others as you would have them do unto you," which is an individual response to the challenge of Jesus.

Perhaps Jefferson understood that the philosophy capsulated in that idea has the power to make people in a society more individually benevolent, more loving, more caring, and more willing to take care of each other.

There is a sharp contrast between a philosophy of love and the politics which seem to motivate the radical Left which now spouts its coercive policies in our partisan politics.

Likewise, there is a sharp contrast between a philosophy which calls for individually motivated charity and benevolence and one which requires that some individuals claim some superior right to coercively take the hard earned wages of other individuals in order to "redistribute" to others of their choosing, in the name of the Gospel of Jesus.

One idea allows individual liberty: the other idea demands coercive enforcers who use the idea of "benevolence" to buy votes which allow them power over others.

What Burke, in his Speech on Conciliation..." 1775, called the colonists' "fierce spirit of liberty" is still alive in the hearts of many citizens and some still "augur misgovernment at a distance and sniff the approach of tyranny in every tainted breeze." And, just as he observed then, their religion, "under a variety of denominations agreeing in nothing but in the communion of the spirit of liberty" underlies their devotion to freedom.

Politicians promising goodies and buying votes in exchange for power over other people's lives is popular political sport. Such sport should not, however, be associated nor confused with the philosophy of Jesus, however.

56 posted on 06/16/2016 10:59:23 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Belteshazzar

One major problem with Islam is that it is approximately 700 years behind Christianity in its evolution toward modernity. Even within Christendom, the last major war of religion ended as recently as 1648 (Thirty Years War). Unless the pace of cultural evolution within Islam increases unexpectedly, it will be centuries before Islam is ready to leave the Middle Ages, enter the modern world, and adopt peaceful standards of behavior.


57 posted on 06/16/2016 11:00:45 AM PDT by FJB
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To: loveliberty2

Ooops!! Eliminate the last “however,” please. Sorry.


58 posted on 06/16/2016 11:03:21 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Belteshazzar

She needs to name the last terrorist attack done “in the name of Jesus”.


59 posted on 06/16/2016 11:06:22 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks, that is useful.


60 posted on 06/16/2016 11:16:12 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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