Posted on 06/16/2016 9:12:21 AM PDT by Kaslin
James Sanders was the first investigative reporter to get beyond the TWA 800 press releases issued by the FBI. He paid a high price for doing so. If Sanders seems a bit cynical, the reader will soon understand why. -- Jack Cashill
America’s citizens must learn the truth: Reality is what remains after federal propagandists interpret fact. This is an absolute truth for citizens living in a failed republic -- including the United States in 2016.
I’m a medically retired police officer from southern California with more than thirty years experience investigating federal lawlessness buried within the National Archives storage boxes and the Freedom of Information Act. In my investigation of TWA Flight 800 among other incidents, I discovered that the greater story was the fall of the American Republic.
Over the decades it became abundantly evident the federal National Security State does not care what the law states. It will fight to keep the worst sins classified even though the law says documents classified secret and more than fifty years old must be declassified with only two very narrow exceptions: weapons of mass destruction and the name of a source.
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Yep...saw it too. It was intense bright orange and travelling about 5 degrees off of vertical. Does anyone have a pic of a thermite missile in flight?
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Was it arching down or zigzagging?
On any given day I have 160+/- gallons of Jet A. Wires in my fuel tanks, I’m not worried. It does not burn with a match - it’s like diesel.
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There was only 50 gallons of fuel in the center tank of TWA 800, and the vapor was determined to be flammable at the time of the accident.
THEY WERE LYING!
I wish I could say more about who my source is, and what they were doing for a living back then, but I can't.
I will say that this person informed me of this issue from the direction of a totally unrelated subject. Myself and some of my friends who have moved away, get together two or three times a year to talk about life and drink a little bit.
Several years ago at one such of these events, we were discussing Obama's background and how fishy his birth certificate seems, when this one person said that they were only aware of one actual conspiracy in their entire life.
This person then related where they were and what they were doing on the day flight 800 went down. We all listened incredulously as this person told us what evidence they found, and what they were subsequently ordered to do with it.
This person explained the reasons why they were told to destroy evidence. They said the Commander in Chief had made an executive decision on this matter, and that all Federal agencies and Military units were expected to obey his directive.
This person said there are actually a lot of people in both the military and in civilian positions that know the truth of what happened, but that they have been ordered not to discuss it.
I still know this person. I know what this person does for a living, and what they have been doing for a living since the mid 1990s. This person would be in a position to know what they are talking about, so either they are deliberately lying to me and our other friends (all respectable people of respectable talents and station) for no good reason, or they are speaking of an actual and deliberate cover up.
I do not believe this person has lied to me.
I will see this person again in a couple of months, and I will once again ask them to share what they know with Jack Cashill, but I will not be at all surprised if they once more refuse.
Who needs the sort of thankless sh*tstorm that would come your way if you blow the whistle on a chain of command ending with a certain greasy former President?
What would happen if the President gave a "DIRECT ORDER" to deem the cause of the crash to be an accident?
Would the NTSB disobey?
It doesn’t happen often, but fuel tanks do explode.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Airlines_Flight_143
A stinger won’t reach that altitude.
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Stinger, no Stinger, I’m not a military analyst. What altitude was it supposed to reach?
All I know is what I posted before. We gave Stingers out like they were Halloween candy to the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan. After our gracious assistance in getting the Soviets out, Bin Laden et al decided we were stomping all over their holy ground.
The only analysis I can do is armchair detective work. That involves M.O.M. - Motive, Opportunity, Means.
Stomping on holy ground and listening to Bin Laden and terrorist imams. Motive.
If the terrorists could be here to do 9/11, and the first WTC attack before that, then they could certainly have been here to coordinate an attack like the one I proposed on TWA Flight 800. Opportunity.
MANPAD on a fishing boat. Means.
The REAL detective work was done by Sanders and friendly parties. The best evidence that he was onto something detrimental to the Clinton administration was his treatment by Gorelick, Kallstrom, et al.
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Conspiracy theories always have an answer - it’s more conspiracy or more people who are sworn to silence. Once you are outside of one agency and a small circle of people it would be extraordinarily difficult if not impossible to keep such a secret. Every sailor, every investigator, every person even remotely associated with such an event remaining silent the rest of their lives?
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They swear Navy personnel to secrecy upon enlistment. Otherwise, the phone picture from a couple of weeks ago would not have been such a big deal.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/kristian-saucier-investigation-hillary-clinton-223646
Let’s not go into “conspiracy theory” garbage, shall we? We know enough about Clinton’s and Obama’s lies to not doubt any bad thing attributed to them.
In 2008, we were told it was a “conspiracy theory” that single payer healthcare was going to be a goal of Obama’s.
In the early 1990s, it was implied that it was a “conspiracy theory” to believe Hillary wanted to be President.
I could go on and on with “conspiracy theories” that turned out to be real conspiracies, but that’s useless here. If you believe there is no such thing as a governmental conspiracy, no matter how small or large, then I’m wasting time and effort, and you’ll see and be shocked, SHOCKED when some predicted things come to pass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME
Part 1 of 11 - TWA Flight 800
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKYoEFa4lY0
(I haven’t watched a lot of this, I plan to tonight now that we have a thread on it - I did read Sanders’s first book though)
Don’t have answers to your questions, sorry.
I have always wondered, it it was terrorists, why didn’t they take credit?
If you heat it to 96 degrees and apply an 80 Joule ignition source to it.
For those of you unfamiliar with how much energy = a Joule, it is equal to a Watt-second, meaning a Watt of energy applied for a full second.
80 Joules would equal to an 80 amp current source that lasted for a second. That much energy would catch paper or rubber on fire, let alone kerosine.
There were no such energy sources possible inside that fuel tank. Probably if you direct wired the Airplan's main (115 volt AC, 400 cycle three phase) voltage to the fuel sensors, you could not create such an ignition source.
Once again, I'm not disputing what you are saying. However, what you stated above is an illegal order. Military officers are trained to disregard illegal orders. Understanding that they may have to fall on their sword in doing so. I just can't see the Joint Chiefs going along with this. This is an impeachable offense, in my opinion. Not saying something is bad enough but, destroying the evidence is criminal.
The metal was bent INTO the fuel tank, hence it could not have exploded.
BTW, what color are the clouds in you world?
I have no way of confirming or denying your version...
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Of course not. That’s the beauty of being a conspiracy theorist, any hearsay from an unnamed source is sufficient. And any conflicting evidence can be dismissed as being part of the conspiracy.
TWA800 was reportedly at ~16,000 feet when the incident happened. No manpad had that altitude capability, at that time.
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In 1996, the most common variant of the Stinger missile had a maximum range of ~26,000 feet.
This isn’t in the same category but similar, my first job out of college was as an engineer for Cessna Wallace. One of the production workers was cleaning a wing with Ketone Acetate and decided to sit down on the wing and have a smoke. The fumes ignited and the wing exploded. The guy was almost picking shrapnel out of his ass. Live and learn.
Range and altitude for missiles is not the same. The max altitude for a stinger at that time was only ~13,000 ft.
I remember NTSB inspectors who were not allowed into the hangar where the plane’s parts were.
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The reconstruction of TWA800 wreckage still exists in a hangar. It’s used for training.
One day in the late 1990s, I was reading a newspaper and took a look at the obituaries. It was probably online, but I can’t recall. I think if it had been a real newspaper, then I might have clipped the obituary and saved it. Anywho, the obituary was of a mid20s aged Navy diver who had died while working. The obituary stated that he had been a part of the folks who searched for TWA800. It would have been in 1997, 1998, or 1999.
It sounds more reasonable to me than the idea there was an 80 joule ignition source in the fuel tank.
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Laboratory testing of a 747’s electrical system created arcing with 5kJ of energy.
Which doesn't mean they will do it. I think they will weigh the pros and cons before they decide which action they will take.
I just can't see the Joint Chiefs going along with this.
There has been a lot of things going on in the military that I would not have believed they would go along with. I now no longer have any illusions about what they might be willing or unwilling to do.
This is an impeachable offense, in my opinion.
Impeachment didn't really seem to cramp Clinton's style when it actually happened.
Not saying something is bad enough but, destroying the evidence is criminal.
If you are ordered to do it and you refuse to do it, the next guy will destroy it, and you will be left accused of disobeying an order for which their is no evidence left to prove your case.
That is not the sort of game that I would want to be in the middle of.
What’s your source on that info?
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