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Freeper friends-- I am an evangelical pastor who doesn't want to sit out this election or vote third party, but is having a hard time with Trump as a representative of the cultural rot I am so disheartened about. Help me process what is going on with these two.
1 posted on 05/10/2016 7:30:51 AM PDT by sonrise57
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.. I am an evangelical pastor who doesn't want to sit out this election or vote third party ...

"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And don't expect your position as a man of faith to deflect criticism.

2 posted on 05/10/2016 7:34:48 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (It's them or us.)
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Unlike most Republicans, Trump hits back at people who attack and/or criticize him. Moore said people shouldn't vote for Trump.

Trump retaliated. Not exactly shocking.

3 posted on 05/10/2016 7:36:31 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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5 posted on 05/10/2016 7:38:53 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (It's them or us.)
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In my opinion, they are both acting like immature twinks. I expected better from Dr. Moore. I have read some of his articles, and I know he is capable of rational commentary, free of Twitter, Youtube, and other tools of adolescent status conflicts.


7 posted on 05/10/2016 7:41:31 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("We like us the way we are. That makes us real, true friends." ~ The Undead Thread)
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My pastor was one of those shown in a video praying for/with Trump. He had met with several candidates, but when the video came out, the implication was they supported Trump. My pastor said they were promised no cameras would be there. He wasn’t too pleased and gives the impression he’ll just be voting down ballot. It seems most of the congregation feels the same.


8 posted on 05/10/2016 7:41:46 AM PDT by llmc1
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Support Trump or Clinton. That is the only choice at hand. Sitting on the sidelines is no different than supporting Clinton. Defeating Clinton will require everyone.


9 posted on 05/10/2016 7:42:06 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Make America Great Again Starts with America First! I stand with Trump.)
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If you attack Trump you get hit back, just ask the Pope.


10 posted on 05/10/2016 7:42:08 AM PDT by Donglalinger
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Trump illustrated in his “Two Corinthians” comment and his general demeanor that his grasp of Christianity is marginal at best. He’s attacked the faith of many of his political opponents as if his is better. Frankly, the man is on very thin ice when he gets into religion and would be wise to simply shut up on the topic, something we know he lacks the humbleness to do.

I may have my disagreements with Rev. Moore but I’m not going to dispute a person’s faith the way Trump continues to do. It is, frankly, a huge turn-off. Trump should stick to the things he knows something about.


11 posted on 05/10/2016 7:43:27 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Abort Hillary - again)
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As a Southern Baptist I stand with Trump.


13 posted on 05/10/2016 7:44:34 AM PDT by TTFlyer
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Trump happens to disagree with him on some things. Trump is NOT a Baptist. Heck I know Baptists that don’t agree.

Labels is what is killing our country’s ability to get the right things done.

Here are the priorities : Islamic terrorism, borders, trade, jobs, government spending, government regulation......everything else


16 posted on 05/10/2016 7:45:29 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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If I vote for Trump - and I might - it will be reluctantly. He is crude, vulgar & often juvenile. However, he has done 2 wonderful things: crushed Jeb Bush and broken through the constraints of political correctness.

We know that God has used imperfect men to accomplish his will. Cyrus, the pagan king of Persia, for example. Will he work through Trump's faults? That is the question. I also recall one president who was biblically literate and maintained a strict moral character: Jimmy Carter.

19 posted on 05/10/2016 7:47:40 AM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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So the guy calls Trump "moral sewage" and then compares the supporters of Trump to Baal worshipers.

Geez, I wonder that Trump was so cordial.

20 posted on 05/10/2016 7:48:06 AM PDT by Pietro
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Neither of the candidates are Christians. The issues this time around are going to be primarily economic and foreign policy. Social issues are going to be pushed to the back burner although I think that Trump may give us a better selection of Supreme Court justices than Hillary. Not so much because of Trump himself but rather because of the people who have his ear.


23 posted on 05/10/2016 7:48:55 AM PDT by Brilliant
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Just think about the Christians in the Middle East and Europe and that we may be next. The US is not immune to what is going on. Trump’s job is to worry about the Kingdom of the Left. Otherwise the Kingdom of the Right might have to go underground.


26 posted on 05/10/2016 7:49:30 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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Russell Moore went on TV and said this about Trump:

In an appearance on CBS News’ “Face the Nation,” the head of the public-policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention said a key tenant of conservatism “is that character matters” and that “virtue has an important role to play.”

“What we have in the Donald Trump phenomenum … is an embrace of the very kind of moral and cultural decadence that conservatives have been saying for a long time is the problem,” he said.

Yet those same conservatives, he added, “now are not willing to say anything when we have this reality television moral sewage coming through all over our culture.”

“And conservatives who previously said we have too much awful cultural rot on television now want to put it on C-span for the next four years …with either [Trump or Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton]. That isn't what we believe in.”

Moore said he believes those most perplexed by this year's race are evangelicals under 50 who believe they “cannot in good conscience vote for either candidate.”

“Some conservative evangelicals will vote for Trump,” Moore conceded. “Many others simply won't vote, or find a third party candidate or write in someone.”

He said these disappointed voters “believe there is something more than politics: a good conscience.”

He did not say a word about the dishonesty and attack on Christians by the Washington establishment. Evangelicals are almost never given air time on Face The Nation. Moore used a rare opportunity to regurgitate the Democrat attacks against Trump and his supporters. He also said that those who supported a third party are morally superior.

This is not what a true man of faith would say. This is a politician. This is not a man guided by faith.

28 posted on 05/10/2016 7:53:18 AM PDT by detective
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FYI....Moore was just fired for being drunk and rude. He is no longer part of that organization.

Also here is an example of his great ethical thinking:
“The center of gravity for both orthodoxy and evangelism is not among Anglo suburban evangelicals but among African Anglicans and Asian Calvinists and Latin American Pentecostals. The vital core of American evangelicalism today can be found in churches that are multiethnic and increasingly dominated by immigrant communities.

The next Billy Graham probably will speak only Spanish or Arabic or Persian or Mandarin. American evangelicals often use the language of “revival” — a word that is sometimes co-opted by politicians to mean a resurgence of a politically useful but watered-down civil religion. A congregation that ignores the global church can deprive itself of revival by overlooking those places where the Spirit is working.”


30 posted on 05/10/2016 7:55:00 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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We wake up to a new day and see there’s a new person The Donald says we need to hate.


39 posted on 05/10/2016 7:58:05 AM PDT by Beernoser
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Just sit it out.

You can always complain later about Clinton and how she is shutting down religious liberty. She has said as much.

Makes for a good sermon.

If Clinton gets to achieve her goals of suppressing Christianity because of the apathy or collaboration of the Christian clergy. Well you reap what you sow.


40 posted on 05/10/2016 7:58:40 AM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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"Once a Democrat, always a Democrat" describes Russell Moore, who is nudging gullible Southern Baptists leftward by the inch. The next president will select four Supreme Court justices, and Moore leads Christians to believe that is not important? Russell Moore is false prophet and a saboteur.

Every election is a choice between two fallen sinners, and "Bad versus Terrible" is no less a choice than "Good versus Bad." I voted for Ted Cruz, but now Donald Trump presents our last chance to right the ship before America slips beneath the waves. A prideful "third party" protest vote is a vote for Hillary Clinton and the sure death of our Republic.

42 posted on 05/10/2016 7:59:04 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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In my senior year of college in 1987, I had crossed a very good conservative with very significant influence. He was mad enough at me that he told me that I would never get anything in D.C. (I was a polysci major).

That didn’t stop me from supporting his work when he was in the right.


43 posted on 05/10/2016 7:59:43 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit."-R.Reagan)
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