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To: Fantasywriter
Cruz knew exactly what level of slimy creepy sewer politics Jeff Roe is famous for.

Maybe, but not actually demonstrated. I'm sure a guy who is selling himself doesn't portray himself as slime, i'm pretty sure he would claim he is just effective.

Re your timeline, let’s cut to the Chase. Just give me links to where CNN A, announced that Carson was “suspending his campaign,” and B, said Carson would have a “big announcement,” the following week. Those are the only two items that concern me.

My recollection is that this is covered in the timeline link I sent you. I think it goes into quite good detail as to what happened and when, and by whom.

It even mentions that CNN immediately set out to distance itself from what it's people had done, so I very much doubt CNN would maintain any online data that proves otherwise.

I think our evidence is what people contemporarily reported regarding CNN's Tweets and statements. I doubt you will get anything further from CNN itself. Certainly nothing culpatory.

181 posted on 05/04/2016 9:29:34 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Jeff Roe did not try to sell himself to Cruz. He ran an anti-Cruz campaign in an attempt to prevent Cruz from winning the election for US Senator in TX. In this campaign Roe did his usual slime and smear routine—in this case, against Cruz.

As I said once already, and you evidently overlooked in reading my post, Cruz acted outraged over Roe’s smear tactics. That was his public reaction, anyway. Privately he must have lapped the sewage up, because he hired Roe to run the very next election he participated in. If you take the Golden Rule seriously, it means that Cruz liked being lied about and smeared so much, he arranged for the other GOP presidential candidates to receive the exact same treatment.

I waded through the extremely verbose timeline you inflicted on me. As I could have told you, it proved, yet again, that CNN NEVER reported that A, Carson was “suspending his campaign,” or B, Carson would have a “big announcement” the following week. Neither of these quotes originated with CNN.

Try to understand: there are ***recordings of Cruz-camp-originated-voicemails*** stating both the above mentioned ‘facts.’ Can you not grasp this??? The Cruz camp conveyed to all the caucus locations two wholesale LIES that CNN never reported. No amount of spin changes that; Roe played one of his typical dirty tricks, this time on Carson. It was filthy, disgusting, and indefensible, period.


182 posted on 05/04/2016 10:06:19 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: DiogenesLamp

To put a finer point on the issue. CNN reported that Carson was “taking a break.” Had the Cruz camp conveyed this info, it would have been factually accurate.

So why didn’t they?

Because it would have allowed voters to draw the correct conclusion: that Carson was taking a break [which is NOT synonymous with “suspending his campaign”].

Roe doesn’t take chances. To be absolutely certain caucus goers drew the wrong conclusion, he added the wholly fictitious report that Carson would have a “big announcement” the following week. Put those two lies together, and no Iowan could mistake the message.

It was gutter politics at its worst—Roe’s speciality. Why so many Cruz supporters defended it is a mystery. Had Cruz’ supporters risen up against this sleaze, Cruz and/or Roe might have taken notice, and run a cleaner campaign. And who knows, but what that would have made Cruz a more attractive and viable candidate in the long run.

What a shame.


184 posted on 05/04/2016 12:12:25 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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