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To: DiogenesLamp

Jeff Roe did not try to sell himself to Cruz. He ran an anti-Cruz campaign in an attempt to prevent Cruz from winning the election for US Senator in TX. In this campaign Roe did his usual slime and smear routine—in this case, against Cruz.

As I said once already, and you evidently overlooked in reading my post, Cruz acted outraged over Roe’s smear tactics. That was his public reaction, anyway. Privately he must have lapped the sewage up, because he hired Roe to run the very next election he participated in. If you take the Golden Rule seriously, it means that Cruz liked being lied about and smeared so much, he arranged for the other GOP presidential candidates to receive the exact same treatment.

I waded through the extremely verbose timeline you inflicted on me. As I could have told you, it proved, yet again, that CNN NEVER reported that A, Carson was “suspending his campaign,” or B, Carson would have a “big announcement” the following week. Neither of these quotes originated with CNN.

Try to understand: there are ***recordings of Cruz-camp-originated-voicemails*** stating both the above mentioned ‘facts.’ Can you not grasp this??? The Cruz camp conveyed to all the caucus locations two wholesale LIES that CNN never reported. No amount of spin changes that; Roe played one of his typical dirty tricks, this time on Carson. It was filthy, disgusting, and indefensible, period.


182 posted on 05/04/2016 10:06:19 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter
As I said once already, and you evidently overlooked in reading my post, Cruz acted outraged over Roe’s smear tactics. That was his public reaction, anyway. Privately he must have lapped the sewage up, because he hired Roe to run the very next election he participated in.

You should read up on what Nixon did when he found out John Kennedy's team had broken into his Accountant's office and used his own financial records against him. (In reality, it turned out his accountant had stabbed him in the back, and that the "break-in" was just a lie.)

Nixon said: (and I paraphrase) "So that's how they play the game? Well okay then."

Even assuming that Cruz hired a slimy guy in full knowledge that he is a slimy guy, given what was thrown back at Cruz, I don't think discussing slime throwing is a winning strategy. Some of the vilest things i've seen since the "Chris McDaniel supporters are Racists that want to prevent Black people from voting" tactic, were thrown at Cruz. Slander and dirty tactics way beyond someone's staff making a mistake about what Ben Carson meant when he said he was going home.

I waded through the extremely verbose timeline you inflicted on me. As I could have told you, it proved, yet again, that CNN NEVER reported that A, Carson was “suspending his campaign,”

That was implied by the manner in which they said it. It was a reasonable assumption based on what Chris Moody said: "Carson won’t go to NH/SC, but instead will head home to Florida for some R&R."

That is a very unusual thing for a Primary candidate to do. It only makes sense if you assume he's done campaigning. I don't fault anyone for making that assumption. I made the same assumption when I saw the Talking heads on the news say that.

Apparently not only did *I* think it meant that, so did other people, because at 6:53, (3 minutes BEFORE the first Cruz campaign tweet) Carson's spokesperson tweets this:

@RealBenCarson will be going to Florida to get fresh clothes b4 heading back out on the campaign trail. Not standing down.

— Jason Osborne (@Jmrhosborne) February 2, 2016

Apparently he wanted to make it clear that Carson wasn't standing down. The only reason he would feel the need to make this clear is if he thought people would get the wrong impression from what was already said... Which they did.

or B, Carson would have a “big announcement” the following week. Neither of these quotes originated with CNN.

It could be deliberate, or it could be a "brain fart." Jake Tapper stated that Carson was going to make an announcement that evening,(Tapper said "at 9:15 local) not next week, so the "next week" part is wrong, but the "announcement" part was in fact said.

But the fact remains, even at the worst case, this is misbehavior by staff, and not evidence of Cruz himself deliberately lying to anyone.

So how did this get pushed forward as the basis of Ted Cruz lying? It wasn't Ted Cruz doing it, if in fact you can make the claim with a straight face that it was a deliberate lie in the first place.

Try to understand: there are ***recordings of Cruz-camp-originated-voicemails*** stating both the above mentioned ‘facts.’

I should not be surprised. I thought Carson's announcement didn't make any sense unless he was dropping out. It is reasonable to believe that other people thought the same thing.

The Cruz camp conveyed to all the caucus locations two wholesale LIES that CNN never reported.

Except they certainly did. Their reporting can be interpreted in no other way than that it appears as if Carson is dropping out.

No amount of spin changes that; Roe played one of his typical dirty tricks, this time on Carson.

And you place no blame on Chris Moody, Jake Tapper, or Dana Bash who created the impression that Carson was dropping out?

If you can watch this video, and tell me that it is completely unreasonable to see this as an indication that Carson is stopping his campaign, then I fear you have lost objectivity.

Both of them make it appear as if Carson is dropping out.

But the point remains. The whole thing is a pretty flimsy basis on which to build the whole meme that Ted Cruz is a liar.

183 posted on 05/04/2016 11:59:08 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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